Woman #1: As a couple we really enjoy camping and hiking and doing all of those outdoor activities.
Man #1: My wife and I love to walk around IKEA and just dream.
Woman #2:My husband and I met on a basketball court and so, 15 years later, we still enjoy doin’ a quick pick-up game. I don’t win very many, but I sure do enjoy playing with him.
Man #2: My wife and I really enjoy taking walks on the beach, especially around sunset.
Man #3: Yeah, my wife and I will sometimes go to these discount stores and have like a $2 or $3 limit and that’s always kind of fun to come back and see, wow, you got me that? Or wow, you got methat!
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Jim Daly: (Laughter)Hey, those are some great ideas for having fun in a marriage, John. I don’t know about the $2, $3 store.
John Fuller: Oh.
Jim: I don’t know what I would buy Jean in that situation.
John: I ... you can’t go wrong with flowers--
Jim: Plastic flowers?
John: --plastic flowers for a buck.
Jim: Actually you could go wrong with that (Laughter), John. I’m just tellin’ ya. And today on Focus on the Family, we want to talk about how to get that fun back in your relationship. I’m Jim Daly and here in the studio with me is John Fuller. We’re gonna help husbands--now get this-- we’re gonna help husbands and wives find the fun in their relationship, because that’s how it all started, isn’t it? Somethin’ attracted you to each other and I’m sure fun was a part of that in some way.
Jim: Somewhere along the way though, life got a little complicated. The kids came along, the bills had to be paid and Monday Night Football’s always there. It just gets to become a routine and you stop having fun and then you’re in some difficulty. So, we want to talk about that today.
John: Yeah and this is a ... I think a very common problem in a lot of marriages, so we want to come alongside you and help you get through some really routine things. Now Jim, we’re not talking about couples who are really, really struggling. We’re talking about pretty healthy marriages that are just ... they’ve just been crowded out by--
Jim: Well, they’re stuck.
John: --so much of life.
Jim: Yeah, they’re just stuck in that rut.
Jim: And you know who you are. Uh ... you love each other and you’re willing, but you know what? You’re just distracted. There’s other things tuggin’ at your time.
Jim: Today we’re gonna talk to that average couple, who’s gettin’ by and we’ve invited a very special guest to join us. His name is Ted Cunningham. He’s an author, a speaker, a pastor. Ted, welcome back to Focus on the Family.
Ted Cunningham: I love bein’ here. Thanks for havin’ me again.
Jim: Well, you … let me ask you from the get-go. You are a fun guy by nature, so for you this is, I think, pretty natural. Uh … how do us guys that maybe aren’t naturally fun, uh … how do we find a “fun bone” in our body?
Ted: Yeah, I … (Laughing) I … I … I related with the average part. I am (Laughing) pretty average.
Jim: I don’t think so.
Ted: And … and I think … I think we always think about fun as, we gotta schedule the date night, which we can talk about. We have to get an annual abandon. We have to do all of that. But I just try to find simple ways every day to make Amy Cunningham laugh. And the first thing I do almost every morning, maybe not every morning, but several times a week, I model whatever I’ve chosen to wear that day for her. (Laughter) And I try to pick new poses (Laughter). And it only takes 10, 15 seconds. (Laughter) So, for the average guy--
Ted: --who says, I don’t write jokes. I don’t write, you know, humorous stories. I can’t … I can’t deliver one-liners, you know, that work, you know. You …there’s plenty you can do to bring that humor, that laughter, that fun, that play into your marriage in very simple, practical and, dare I say, quick ways.
Jim: Let me ask you this though, that idea of laughter is so linked to intimacy, but we don’t I think, realize it the way we should. A couple that’s been married five, seven, 10, 20 years, if you’re losing that ability to laugh together, you’re really missing something, aren’t you?
Ted: You areand I was inspired the most by this idea from Dr. Swindoll when I was at Dallas. (Laughter) Yeah, because I never would’ve thought … people actually have taken the time to write him letters saying, “You need to use less humor in your sermons.”
Ted: Until he said “You know, but once I received a letter from a lady that said, “Please keep the humor coming on your broadcast because it’s the only laughter that finds its way into our home.”
Ted: There’s a vacuum of laughter in our homes today that we don’t take the time. And I’m not sayin’ watch a two-hour comedy movie. I’m ju … the ability to pause, not take yourself so seriously, be able to laugh at yourself a little bit, be able to cut loose. And this can takeminutesa day. I’m not talking about investing the whole day in it. But to be intentional with it. It’s actually part of our family constitution in the Cunningham home. Wemustlaugh together every single day.
Jim: Let me ask you that question, because those two letters could come from the same household. The husband that’s saying, “Dr. Swindoll, don’t use humor in your sermon.” And the wife’s saying, “Please, please, ‘cause it’s the only laughter we ever get.”
Jim: I think it’s a problem within the broader Christian community, that somehow piousness is uh … seen as not laughing, not enjoying ourselves. That’s not the picture I have of the Lord. I mean, when … when He was with us and walked with us, those bits of Scripture that we have that that the Pharisees and the Sadducees were criticizing Him because He seemed to be having a good time. He was laughing with people. And they didn’t like it either. But the Lord and being made in His image, I think humor is His image. I think the Lord has a good sense of humor. I want to hear His belly laugh.
Ted: Yeah (Laughing) yeah and … and think about this. Almost every marriage ministry sermon that I’ve heard through the years has some sort of take on this message: “God gave you your spouse to beat you down and todrain the lifeoutta you, so you can be more like Jesus.”
Ted: We’ve actually taken that … and I … I’m good friends with Gary Thomas and we’ve had great conversations about this lately, because you know, the whole holiness versus happiness conversation and we’re on the same page with this, because we believe and know that the Lord has given us a spouse to have companionship with. But we’ve turned the primary purpose of marriage into sanctification. So long as we’re growing more like Jesus, that’s the direction we need to go, but to have fun, to cut loose, to just enjoy one another and that be the sole purpose? There’s a lot of followers of Christ that have a very difficult time grasping that.
Jim: Well, and I’ll confess it. I’ve used that line often about, you know, one of the issues in marriage is it rubs off your selfish edges. Idothink marriage does that, but you don’t have to not have humor in that process (Chuckling). I mean, you can do both, right?
Ted: Yeah and this is the key. This is what I challenge pastors with.Let’s not lead out with the message, “Marriage is hard.” (Laughter) I did an ordination for a couple of young guys, good friends of mine, a couple of uh … months back. And … and when we got done … you know, we were goin’ through each of the lines of doctrine and what do you believe about God? What do you believe about the Trinity? What do you believe about man? And I knew when we got to man, I knew what their answer was gonna be, passionate about Reformed Theology. I said … I go, guys, tell me what do you believe about man? And I mean, as quickly as they could say it, “Man is evil.” And I said … this is what I said to them. I go, listen, I appreciate your passion for depravity. (Laughter) But I want to ask you the question, isthatwhat you want to lead out with?
Ted: And they said,”Wh … what should I lead out with?” I go, “What if we led out just doing good Bible study method, going with Rule of First here. What if we lead out with “created in the image of God?”
Ted: And then we’ll get to depravity, ‘cause I believe the same thing you do, but what happens if we would just pause long enough to not lead out? And I think that’s …one of the issues in the home today and in the church today, we’re … the main marriage message I hear is, marriage ishard. No wonder 20-somethings are sayin’, “I know my mom and dad are committed to one another. I don’t even know if they enjoy each other. But I don’t know if theylikeeach other. I don’t ever see ‘em laughing together.”
So, I just … to me, part of painting a beautiful picture of marriage for the young people in our church and for the, dare we say it again,averagecouple in our church, is to not lead out with this, “It’s grueling; it’s painful. It’stoilsome.” Okay, we’ll get to that, right. We’ll all process that at some point in our marriage, but to continue to paint this beautiful picture of companionship in marriage.
Jim: Why are we projecting that it’s so hard? Is it because in the end, we’re too selfish?
Ted: Well, that and I think combined with the brokenness. There’s so much brokenness that we see around us. We … we’ve fallen for this confirmation bias to believe that,thatis the way of every marriage. And to be honest with you, as a pastor, I don’t have couples that come into my office saying, “We’re doin’ okay. We just would like you to help us get more creative on date night.” I don’t have those counseling appointments. I have the, “We’re done. We’re done. We’re walking out. This is it and we told our family we were comin’ to meet with you.” And one of the main reasons people want to meet with a pastor is so they can go tell their family, we tried everything…
Ted: Okay. And--
Jim: So they’re going in with the attitude, let’s check this off the list.
Ted: Let’s just check this off the list. And I think what happens, especially when you hear sermon after sermon on marriage today and it leads out with, “The marriage is hard,” first bullet point, it’s because that’s just what pastors are responding to. They’re responding to the brokenness that they’re dealing with all day long, all week long. And they’re like, okay, every marriage is like this and so, now most of our marriage ministries today are focused on that crisis and recovery aspect, which isveryimportant to have in your church.
But we’re talkin’ today, kind of, you have the premarital side and then at the other end, you have crisis and recovery. We’re kinda talking about that middle group of followers of Christ who say, you know what? We’re married. We’re committed. We’re gonna be together until either one of us lays the other in the arms of Jesus or the Lord returns. But we know, we’re maybe at a 5, 6 or 7, we … we could go up, you know, a few rungs.
Jim: Let me ask you this, Ted, because uh … you know, livin’ at a 9 is hard — it takes a lot of energy and it … and many people would say, it’s impossible. I mean, 6 or 7 is pretty good, if on average, that’s where you’re at and … and you love each other. Um … is it possible to live at a 9?
Ted: I think it’s possible for that to be your goal and for you to strive for it every day. And I think … this is what I love about Ecclesiastes. It’s what I love about chapter 9, verses 7 to 9, but verse 9 especially. It says, “Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love all your meaningless days.” This is your life and you’re toilsome and the word “toilsome” there is speaking of the grind of life. It’s the “gruelsome” labor that we all go through. But what I love about Ecclesiastes, it also talks about seasons. Every marriage has seasons. And so, there’s a time to laugh; there’s a time to mourn. There’s a time to dance.
I think we getstuckin these dry seasons and we spend too much time there. And one of the things I love doin’ as a pastor, ‘cause we take the second Sunday of every month at our church and we talk about marriage. So, we just did a 13-part series, verse by verse through Galatians, through the fall. But still,everysecond Sunday of the month, we stopped and we preached on marriage. And we’re really going after the average couple. We’re going after the one that’s at a 5 or a 6 and just trying everything we can do as a church to give them tools, to give them helps, conversation starters, fill in the blanks, whatever we can do to help them break out of those dry stuck seasons. Again, they’re not moving towards crisis. They wouldn’t consider themselves crisis, but they’re bored. And I think a lot of our sermons need to be targeted, not just to helping couples come out of crisis, but we need to start helping couples and give ‘em ajoltout of boredom.
Jim: Does it ha … are you really trying to shift the paradigm? I mean, that we go in thinkinggrind, grind,oh, it’s tough; it’s tough. Get us to use different words. I mean, it … one of the things that is frustrating as I watch it-- we’re Christians. We believe the Book. We believe the end, that we’re gonna be with Jesus in heaven foreternity! Yet, we live sometimes like we don’t understand that revelation at all. There is no joy in our lives.
It … it’s a paradigm shift, for us to wake up with a smile on our face every day as believers in Christ. We should be there, because we have been given thisincredibleinsight and this gift of eternal life. It should revolutionize the way we live, yet we live in many ways like the world lives. Why?
Ted: Yeah, and here’s what we did inFun Loving You.If our primary message is and what we’ve heard our life in church growing up is, marriage is hard, we now process every part of our marriage through that “marriage is hard” paradigm.
So, I’ll give you a great example, ‘cause every, you know, marriage speaker, preacher, author talks about the differences of men and women. And we try to bring that, but that “differences” gets caught up in the “marriage is hard” message. And what Amy and I have done is, we’ve taken the … the list of all of our differences and the things that just frustrate the daylights out of each other, uh … that we can frustrate one another. We wrote all those down (Laughter) and … and then we made--
John: That’s kinda scary
Ted: --we made the decision, okay, we’re gonna find the fun on each one of these bulleted items. We’re gonna find fun. ‘Cause when … when a couple comes into my office, I love handing them a yellow pad and saying, I want you to write down just five reasons why your spouse is valuable. This goes to Gary Smalley’s honor list idea. Write down five reasons. And I just love sitting there watching them, ‘cause they … they can’t write down one thing.
Jim: Oh, my goodness.
Ted: Like this … a … a stuck couple, they can’t think of a reason why their spouse is valuable, because right now they’re so frustrated with ‘em. But if you were to ask ‘em, write down five reasons why your kids are valuable, oh, well, then-
Jim: Bum, bum, bum.
Ted: --bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. bum, bum. So, then I say, okay, well, we won’t write down five reasons why your spouse is valuable. Why don’t we write down five things that really frustrate you--
Jim: Bu, bu, bu, bu, bum!
Ted: --about your spouse. And it’s bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. And then we spend the rest of the time, we can really get somewhere, too on this. Then we look for ways to have fun with those frustrations and so, yeah, that was a tough one and that’s when we really started to do thisFun Loving Youlist idea. It’s when we started to write down, ‘causethenthat just gives us all freedom. Boy and … and we came up with roughly 20, 25--
Jim: Things that irritate each other.
Ted: --things that irritate each other (Laughter).
Jim: I’m gonna do that. (Laughter) It’s a fun thing to do.
Ted: It … it really is and there’s that moment of pain, where you have to kind of work through it. But we put ourFun Loving Youlist in the book and if you read ‘em right, you’ll see where the frustrationwas. And we just have a ball with this. And again, because of the mentoring that I’ve received from Gary Smalley, I keep that list close, because the goal is, when you begin to experience the frustration again, you pull that list out and you remind yourself, nope (Sound of knock on table), I’ve made the decision that this is valuable. I’ve made the decision we’re gonna have fun with this and this is one way we have fun with it.
John: I’m so appreciating this conversation we’re having today on Focus on the Family with Ted Cunningham and the book that he just referred to isFun Loving You: Enjoying Your Marriage in the Midst of the Grind. We’ve got details about that and some other helps, a CD or … or download of this conversation, at focusonthefamily.com/radio.
And … and Ted, I’m thinking, it’s probably not a good idea for me to go home and give Dena a list of things (Laughter) that she does …
Jim: No, go ahead; do that. (Laughter) I want … I want to see what you do tomorrow.
John: But how do you practically … I mean, give us an example of how you take what frustrates you in the relationship and turn it into something fun? Because it could become, I would think easy to makefunof that person for it--
Ted: Yeah, oh and it … oh, no, no, no.
John: --instead of being productive.
Ted: Yeah and that is not the goal of this at all. What I do, like for example, my wife, she’s the most passionate woman I know. She’s got more passion in her little pinky than I have in my whole body, our whole family combined. Whether it’s exercise, vacation planning, everything isintense, right, veryintense.
And so, we’ll … she … you know, I’ll come home from a bad day at work and go, “You know, it’s kind of a rough day,” and she’ll go, “Well, fine. Let’s quit and move to Africa and be full-time missionaries.” (Laughter) I’ll be like, “Hey, let’s back it down a notch. “ (Laughter) It was really like a bad two hours at the end. And we have fun with that, because she knows I’m appreciating that about her now. I’m not frustrated. I … I love this passion. When we go on walks as a family, I look at ‘em more like nature walks. If we see a turtle, we’re gonna stop and look at the turtle. But she’s like, “No! Let’s keep goin’, right. We gotta keep movin’. We’ve committed to this!”, right, ‘cause we’re getting exercise. We’re not looking at animals.
This was a big frustration early in our marriage. She used to put lists on our kitchen counter of everything we needed to do that day (Laughter), very organized lady. And I’m the type that, when I walk out of the bedroom, while getting ready, I have my entire day planned. I’ve looked over my schedule on my phone. I have it all ready to go. And there’s nothing on her list that would fit into my schedule.
And now I tell her all the time, I love how you keep our family organized, ‘cause there have been times and this is true and we laugh at this now, we’d be walkin’ out of the house and she goes, “Hey, we’re leavin’ now, Teddy, you need to go potty?” I’d be like, “Hey, listen, I’m 38 ½ and when I have to use the restroom, I’ll goall by myself.” I said, “I do not need you to let me know.” But that’s just her … her passion and her organization.
We don’t even watch movies the same way. This used to frustrate us. She … she’s-- watching movies for Amy means reading a magazine and surfing Pinterest. But that puts the burden onmeto watch--
Ted: --the movie for both of us. (Laughter) So, something will happen and she’ll be like, “What just happened?” And I’m like, “Rrrh!.” I mean, that just like drives me crazy, ‘cause I have to stop and explain to her what happens.
But what happens now on theFun Loving Youlist, I appreciate that you think I’m an expert at everything, ‘cause she does. When we’re watchin’ a movie and somethin’ happens, she’ll go, “What just happened?” I go, “Well, there was an explosion on the Space Station. Yep. And a piece of metal broke off, hit the space shuttle. Now they’re stuck in outer space.” And she’s like, “Well, what are they gonna do?”
Ted: “Well,I don’t know. I’m not an astronaut. I’ve … I have no … but I bet if we watch the rest of this movie, we’re gonna figure out how to fix the Space Shuttle the next time we should need that.”
We just … I mean, from every area of life where we are different, we come in now and appreciate. We’ll be drivin’ down the road and she’ll go … look at a construction site and will ask me, “What’s going on over there?” “I don’t know.” But here’s how we have fun with it. I make it up. (Laughter) I make it up. “Well, I told ‘em to--
Jim: That could get dangerous.
Ted: --rip out … rip out that highway. I want six lanes instead of four.” And then I’ll talk about construction sites. That’s how we have fun with it, instead of just living in this frustration that most couples choose to have fun with.
Jim: Ted, let … let’s talk about the symptoms. Give us some of those examples of the symptoms of a stuck marriage.
Ted: Yeah. There’s eight of ‘em. We talk about eight of ‘em, but the first one is when uh … when my spouse uh … and I are stuck. So, when you’re stuck in the midst of the grind and the grind that … that Solomon talks about in Ecclesiastes is that “gruelsome labor,” you know, it … generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. Seventy years you have upon the earth, 80 if you’re strong. Psalm 90, verse 10 says, “But those years are filled with sorrow and anguish.”
And my encouragement to couples is don’t allow your marriage to get stuck or remain stuck in the grind. Because what we’ve done is instead of understanding the grind, we’ve made our marriage the grind. And the first way you can identify that is when … when your marriage gets stuck in the grind, you begin to blame your spouse as the source of the problem. And when your spouse is the source of the problem, you don’t know you’re doin’ this, but you automatically set them up to be the solution.
And now you are ultimately stuck. You’re waiting on your spouse to make a change and this is why we become controlling, manipulative. Wewant themto make that change so we can be happy. The very first thing you do and I love doin’ this in our church, we do it all the time. I ask the congregation to raise their right hand, repeat after me and weresignas general manager of the universe, you know, and my spouse and … and I have ‘em point to their spouse and say, “You’re fired. We’re done with this. You’re no longer gonna be my source of life because that … that’s the first thing. If Amy’s my source of life, I’m waiting on her to make me happy. I’m going to have fun and I’m not going to allow her to be the source. And wherever she’s at that day, it’s not gonna be the driving fact. And she’s made that same decision.
Jim: Wh … when you look at that list and John, let’s go ahead and put that on the website.
Jim: We’ll uh … put the list there so people can check it out. Uh … but in that regard, you’ve got … you question your compatibility. I mean (Laughing) that … that’s gotta be a big one. You’re a few years into your marriage. There doesn’t seem to be much fun left in the relationship. You start saying, I didn’t marry the right one.
Ted: Yeah, this is eHarmony and Match.com commercials and (Laughter) can be any matchmaking commercial. They’re geared toward singles, but think about the married man that’s watching that right now in a stuck marriage. Think about the married woman who’s saying, “Man, we used to have fun. We don’t have fun anymore. Maybe that’s the problem. I can’t … they’ve made this decision, I cannot have fun with the person I’m with right now. If I want to enjoy life again, I need to find someone new.
We believe that great marriages flow from chemistry and compatibility. And I believe chemistry and compatibility, it’s important, but character trumps compatibilityevery time. These decisions we’re talking about making, it flows from your character, not from chemistry and compa … chemistry wanes. Chemistry changes over time as we go through different seasons of life. My parents are, you know, in their ‘60s. They’re dealing with health issues. They’re in a very different season, but they’re in the grind nonetheless. I’m in the “make a living, raise children” part of the grind. And the seasons are gonna change, which means chemistry’s gonna change, the way we relate to one another’s gonna change.
But the decision … this is what I tell couples, you’ve stayed married for 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. You’ve made that decision and guess where that decision came from. It came from your character. You’ve made the decision to stay married. The decision to enjoy life together, it flows from the exact same place.
Ted: It flows from your character. You’re making a decision. So, if you’ve made the decision to commit to one another for life, you can make the decision to enjoy life together.
Jim: Uh … that is so well-said. I mean, I love it! Uh … the fifth one in here, which I think out of the eight perhaps is the most critical. Again, we’re not gonna be able to cover all of them; go to the website. We’ll list them there and certainly, pick up the book,Fun Loving Youby Ted Cunningham.But that fifth one is the closing of your heart.
Jim: That one to me, sounds like the Lord is right in that one. When you close your heart to somebody, when you close your heart to God, that’s a serious matter.
Ted: Yeah and five and six kinda go together. No.5 is, when your marriage gets stuck in the grind, you close your heart. No. 6 is, when your marriage gets stuck in the grind, you isolate from others.
Ted: Because that’s what we do; that’s the way we protect our heart. And that’s the way wethinkwe protect our hearts. But the problem with the closing of the heart, and again, I … I try to make things as simple as possible for my own marriage.
I only have one heart. So, to say I’m gonna close it towards this person, but then go to church Sunday and it’s open and worshipping my Father in heaven-- no, it’s the same heart. So, I don’t make decisions, okay, it’s closed to this person, open to this person.
It’s the same heart. So, for you to carry around unresolved anger, bitterness, resentment toward an ex-spouse or to carry around unresolved anger towards your parents, itwill resurfacein another relationship. It may be six months, 12 months, 18 months, but you never bury anger dead. You always bury it alive. So, when you close your heart thinking, you know what? I’m done with this person. This is really what all counseling is, it’s finding out why did the heart close? And what is it gonna take to have you open your heart back up? And when you get to No. 6, isolating from others, this is a biggie, because what happens, I see it all the time as a pastor in the church, when someone’s marriage starts going downhill, they start pulling back from biblical community.
And … the … when someone closes their heart and isolates from others, they start falling for this lie. And I … I encourage couples all the time, this isbig lie. When you begin telling yourself no one understands what I’m going through--
Ted: --I go, what you’re saying is, what you’re experiencing in your part of the grind and what … no one else has been through that. And I’m goin’, you are so wrong. That’s why biblical community’s so important. You need to be in small group with someone else. I say this to ouryoung momsall the time in our church. I go, hey, if you have [an] antibacterial product hanging off your purse right now, would you raise your hand? (Laughter) And I have ‘em all raise their hand. I go, now grandmas in here who raised their children with no antibacterial product, would you raise your hand?
Ted: And they all raise their hand. I go, would you go get with one of these ladies to see that their children not only survived, but theythrived. This grandma over here, she let her kids pick up a cigarette butt and chew on it on the side of the road, you know. (Laughter) Wouldn’t … and it didn’t kill the kid.
Jim: That’s just wrong!
Ted: But biblical (Laughter) community … and so, when our marriages get stuck and we close our heart, we don’t see it. We often don’t see it, but we’re really closing it toeveryonearound us--not just the person we’re mad at, the person we’re frustrated with or the person that we’re stuck with. And let me tell you, you cannot enjoy life together with a closed heart.
John: What a great conversation with Pastor Ted Cunningham on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I’m John Fuller and there are so many who need to learn how to bring that joy back into the marriage relationship.
Jim: It’s so true, John. I love Ted’s idea about making a list of annoying things your spouse does and how we can learn to celebrate those differences.
John: Yeah, it’s not to be--
Jim: Have you made that list?
John: --used as a weapon. It’s to be used to celebrate. I like that.
Jim: Well, maybe I should try that with Jean and maybe encourage her to create that same list.
Jim: It may not be so funny when I see that list!
John: Well, you’ll come back and give us a report right?
Jim: (laughter) Right! No way! (laughter) Hey, a list like that gives us a great mechanism for coping with the stress and frustration that often pesters husbands and wives. And maybe, just maybe, we can learn how to laugh at ourselves a little more and give each other that grace that I know the Lord wants. That’s the real message here and I love how Ted captured that in his bookFun Loving You. That joy is something we’re trying to communicate every week here at Focus on the Family, reminding you that marriage is a good thing! Hey, everybody! You get it-- it’s a good thing! A fun thing! Even (and mostly) a godly thing. And we all need this kind of encouragement.
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John: Well, what an amazing thing, Jim. And what a wonderful example of the miracles that God does through these radio broadcasts. We hear from people who listen and they tell us stories like that and we don’t always know what happens to the seeds of the gospel and the advice that we offer but we know God is at work.
Jim: Absolutely, John, and let me say that I am so thankful for the Friends of Focus on the Family who are helping us get this good news message out each and every month. These Friends are monthly donors who enable us to produce and distribute our broadcast and provide hope to so many needy families. Here at the beginning of the new year, can I urge you to join the team? Your pledge each month will help us respond to the hundreds of thousands of couples and parent and even single adults who will contact us in 2018.Can we count on your monthly support today?
John: And if you make that pledge today, we’ll send a complimentary copy of Pastor Cunningham’s bookFun Loving You. That’s our way of saying thank you for your ongoing support of this family ministry. And then we have a free marriage assessment for you at the website where you can learn more about your strengths as a couple and areas where you might need a little bit of improvement. So please, donate today and find details about these resources at focusonthefamily.com/radio or call 800-232-6459. 800, the letter A and the word FAMILY.
I hope you have some great time with your family this weekend and join us again on Monday as we hear some practical financial advice from Dave Ramsey especially for kids.
Dave Ramsey: So that 13-year old, it’s not the first time they ever heard, oh, you have to work for money. They’ve been hearing it since they were three.
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