Pastor Rico Tice: We're in a culture where people aren't really trusting the pastors any longer. So, it's the friends they trust. So, just say, "Look, do you want to have a look at the Bible? I'm no expert, but I've got some questions here. We'll let the Bible teach us, just see how it goes."
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John Fuller: Well, that's a thought about sharing your faith and that's Pastor Rico Tice and he's got a refreshing and very simple message for us today. Your host is Focus on the Family president and author, Jim Daly and I'm John Fuller.
Jim Daly: If you struggle sharing your faith, today's program's for you and we all do in certain ways. Sometimes it's just not comfortable. We may even know the person is adversarial to the Gospel and it's possible you're not sure what the Gospel actually is and we're gonna talk about all of that today with our guest, Pastor Rico Tice.
He has an inspiring message and a book called Honest Evangelism, which I love that. It's unfortunate we have to use that word in front of "evangelism," but it's true. Rico is the senior minister of evangelism at All Souls Church in Langham Place in London.
And Rico developed a Christianity Explorer course, which introduces people to Jesus all around the world, I think over 90 countries. So, his methodology and how to share Christ is thoroughly tested. And Rico, I want to welcome you to "Focus on the Family."
Rico: It's a delight to be here.
Jim: Now you're coming from the U.K. We appreciate the journey. You're in the U.S. for about a week, so welcome to our country.
Rico: Yes, and I brought the rain with me, you'll be pleased to know. (Laughter) I brought some London rain, so I arrived here in Colorado; it was raining.
Jim: It's always nice—
Rico: So, that's good.
Jim: --to have the rain. Let's start with that question about, what does it mean to "share the Gospel?" What is the Gospel?
Rico: Well, we're talking about Jesus, so where I always go is 2 Corinthians, chapter 4, verse 5. "We preach Christ." And the word "preach" there is "herald." So, at the heart of the Gospel is, I'm speaking about Jesus. And I'm really looking to say three things about Him. I'm talking who He is, His identity, why He came, which is His mission, and what it means to follow Him, which is His call.
And I think it's as simple and as clear as that. I've gotta preach Christ, but who do you think He is? Why do you think He came? What does it mean to follow Him? And what's amazing, Jim, is that as I speak of Jesus, this is what's extraordinary in 2 Corinthians, chapter 4. In verse 6, as I talk about Him, which just seems so pathetic, God takes the power that made the world and opens people's blind eyes and does a miracle and gets 'em to see who He is.
Jim: Rico, let me ask you this, because that, yes, yes, and my soul is jumping—
Jim: --saying yes, yes, but why do we as human beings lack the courage so often to share the Gospel, to talk about Jesus, the work He's done in our individual lives and to just be honest and open with the person in front of us?
Rico: Well, in the book, Honest Evangelism, I talk about the pain line and there is a pain line we have to cross over. There's a nervousness and there's a pain line, because as we speak of Jesus, now let's not beat around the bush here, we are saying to people, you are not an owner in God's world; you're a tenant. It is His world and that's offensive. You know, the aroma of Christ is offensive to people who are wanting to say actually, this is my life; I'll live it, rather than to be told, well, actually each breath you get is a gift.
Jim: Let me ask you this. In England, I mean, we watch from a distance obviously, as you are cousins across the pond, as we (Chuckling) all like to say. But you know, we've seen that steady decline in Europe from the U.S.'s viewpoint. And we've seen Christianity so marginalized. What's that environment like in the U.K.? And how difficult is it to be a Christian in the U.K.?
Rico: Well, first of all, I think I want to say that it's a decline in nominalism. I mean, these people were never really Christians. My parents, and I love them dearly, but they're Winston Churchill Christians. That's what--
Jim: What does that mean?
Rico: --they were. Well, that means that part of the culture was being Anglican, Remembrance Sunday, when we remember the fallen, a very important thing, but almost that was the most important Sunday of the year, because it was about being English. But it wasn't primarily about following Jesus.
Jim: What do you think the aftermath of that nominal Christian approach has been in Europe?
Rico: Well, it means that when it gets to the tough things, as the culture becomes more anti-Christian, for example, the uniqueness of Jesus, for example, the fact that the only place for sex is within marriage between a man and a woman, those things that the Bible says so clearly are things that actually the nominal people are not prepared to stand for. So churchgoing is no longer something that's culturally acceptable.
So, actually I see it as a good time really, because what's happened is, there's been a purification going on. But actually, if you look at the under-35's in England, the 11 percent that are Christian are much more serious. They're much more willing to open the Bible with their friends. So, I'm not discouraged actually, because there's been a purification.
Jim: And I think we're seeing similar things here in the U.S. A researcher by the name of Ed Stetzer has pointed this out, the nominal—
Rico: Yes, I saw that.
Jim: --Christians here in the U.S. And it's I guess where that Scripture talks about the separating of the wheat and the chaff. I mean, if we're really committed to the Lord, that'll be self-evident, because we'll be willing to—
Jim: --express to people our love and our trust in Him.
Rico: Well, and the other thing is, that Christian joy comes out of Christian obedience. I mean, amazingly, we're forgiven, but as we trust Christ to know what's best and as we follow Him, the Spirit gives us joy. Well, if you're not looking to obey, this isn't gonna be very joyful. You've gotta be someone whose life is one of repentance and faith.
I keep saying, "Lord, Jesus, I'm sorry. I've gotten that wrong. Please send Your Spirit to help me change." You say to your wife, "Darling, you know, I'm trying to repent here." But actually, that's the joy of the Christian life. It's seeking to be obedient, to trust Christ to know what's best. Now, if you're not doing that, just going along on a Sunday, I think it gets pretty miserable.
Jim: Hey, Rico, let me ask you this question. So often people say to me, "You know, I don't have that gift of evangelism, and I've never led anyone to the Lord." Talk about temperament and how that might play into your ability. An introvert may find it very difficult to talk to a stranger about something spiritual.
Rico: Sure, well, I think what we've gotta see is, the New Testament talks about evangelism in three different ways. So, there is the evangelist, whose job in Ephesians 4:10 and 11, is to equip God's people for works of service. So, my job at my church is to help the church family speak to their friends. There's then the pastor, who in 2 Timothy 4, is to do the work of the evangelist.
And then thirdly, all of us to be witnesses. And by the way, the word "witness" has as its root the word "martyr," so it's gonna be uncomfortable.
But my job therefore, is to say to the church family, okay, let's start tryin' to speak to our friends. And I tend to say four things when I'm tryin' to get them going. No. 1, celebrate people. God sovereignly has put people, Acts 17, on your street with you. He decides the times and places that we all have. He gives us each breath. So, they're there with you, whoever they are. Get to know them. Celebrate them.
Secondly, serve them. So, what's their biggest pressure? By asking questions, I find out about my neighbors, make sure I welcome them to the street and work out what the pressures are.
Thirdly, telling. The third area, I'm then looking to find a question that actually, as I'm looking to say something Christian, having got to know a bit about them, actually engages with the pain line. So, for example, there's a guy at the end of the street who loves his plants and flowers. He's watering them all the time. And I'm just looking to say to him one day as my son loves to go and water the plants with him, just to say to him, "Kevin, I mean, I know you love flowers. Where do they come from? I mean, where you are on nature?" Now, actually as I ask that question, I'm slightly nervous, because we're opening up, well, where are you spiritually?
Rico: But the fourth thing I tend to say to people as I'm designing the right question is, also exiting. In Matthew 10, when Jesus says, "Wipe the dust off your feet," it means that if the guy then is hostile, that's fine. Go back to the plants. But make sure you've got a question for each person that just actually could end up with hunger. It could end up with hostility. It takes a risk. You might be rejected. But what's the question for each person that you get to know?
So, for example, the flat above me, they're just on a huge renovation in London. It's been going on for months. But I can tell one of the guys who's there, it's a gay couple that are there. I can tell despite this massive reservation, you still haven't got any peace.
So, I'm gonna say to him, I'm gonna say, "Mate, you know, despite all this building work, I don't think you've found peace yet."
So, it's just a question that opens up a chat. If they don't want to take it further, you know, if I hit hostility, fine. I am in one level, risking the relationship. But I might find hunger. And what's interesting in England, there's just been a massive survey called "Talking Jesus" done, which found that actually 69 percent of people have a Christian friend in England they like. Now only 20 percent of that 69 percent actually want to know more spiritually, but they like us, because we are bothering to get to know them and no one else is.
Jim: Yeah, which is different in the culture. People aren't going out of their way to--
Jim: --you know, digital.
Rico: Celebrate people. So, the guy next door to me, he's 82 and he, you know, he loves motor racing. I'm not a "petrol head." I don't really get it (Laughter), but I mean, I'm beginning—
Rico: --to find out about it now, because Michael's into it. Now that's what you do. Just have a doctrine of creation that means you celebrate them. Find out what their pressures are. And actually, people really appreciate that.
Jim: Now in this country, and I think it sounds like in Europe, as well and in the U.K. specifically, there seems to be greater polarization at every level.
Jim: It's socio-economic; it's political. It's neighborhood to neighborhood. People are divided in this country, and it kind of creates a barrier, even for the Christian community, to be willing and courageous enough to break through that, to talk to people. It's like, you know what? My life is busy. My day is busy. I'm raisin' my kids. I don't got time [sic] to engage people at a barbecue, or you know, really?
Rico: And brother, you know, I think that goes back to our prayer life. I mean, I really do think that, that. I mean, I worked at All Souls with John Stott for 17 years, and he got up at ten to five each morning and slept for half an hour each afternoon. I adopted one of those two habits myself, but (Laughter) you know, he was somebody who prayed for the people around him. And I think if we're praying, then that does something to our heart. The Lord opens up a door. But I pray that I'll have a real love for these people—
Rico: --that'll I'll be wanting to celebrate them. And I think that God's sovereign. He's put you at the barbecue next to this person. Find out about them. Ask questions and you know, as you do that, just ask the Lord, say, "Lord, you know what, you know, is there a question I can ask that just sees where they are spiritually?"
Jim: And it's so often, Rico, we turn it into a competition though. We can be offended if a person isn't willing to be open to the discussion. So, we find the hook, but then we get irritated with the rebuttal. And how do you calm yourself and not let your emotions, your humanness, kinda take over the moment and let the Lord flow through you so you …
Rico: Well, Jim, that's a great question and it's so fundamental, because we are promised there's going to be rejection. Our Lord Jesus was rejected. We're aliens and strangers in the world, 1 Peter 1. So, therefore, the key issue is this: Is my identity in the grace of God? In other words, whether you accept or reject me does not make me more valuable. What makes me valuable is Christ died for me.
Now as Tim Keller says, you know, it's like those old-fashioned Coke machines. You can get that in at the top, but you've gotta knock it to get it down into your heart, (Laughter) 'cause you feel the money going down.
Well, do I really believe that my identity is in Christ? So, you know, as I wake up each morning, how does God feel about me? He's delighted with me. Why is He delighted with me? He's delighted with me, because He's delighted with Jesus, and I relate to God through Christ's performance, not my own. Now, when I start really believing that, whatever reaction I get, I'm secure.
Jim: Right, you're calm.
Rico: I'm calm.
Jim: You don't have to—
Rico: --and I'm—
Jim: --take it personally.
Rico: --and I know I'm loved. I mean, Victor Hugo said, "Life's greatest joy is to know that you're loved."
Jim: Let me put this to the test. Family members can be the most difficult people—
Rico: Oh, yeah.
Jim: --to talk to about the Lord, and you have a story about that in your own family. How –
Jim: --how does that work within the close quarters of people who know you well, may have even changed your "nappie," as you call it.
Rico: Well, brother, obviously, mine's a story of failure. I mean, Iwhat put me into the ministry was watching my grandmother die in 1988. And she died absolutely persuaded, as so many English are, that because she was good person, God would accept her. So, there was no need of Christ. And as I was with my grandmother as she died, I didn't speak to her about the Lord Jesus. And the reason I didn't was I feared more what my parents would think of me, and my family would think. And so, as I reflected on that, I loved myself more than her, and that's why I didn't speak with her.
What's interesting is, she was such a doting grandmother, she wouldn't have minded what I said, I think. But I didn't speak to her, because my identity wasn't secure and because I had this idol, this idol of wanting to be accepted, wanting to be respected in my family.
And you know, we're not gonna be speaking about the Gospel until we've actually unpicked some of the idols. You know, why am I not speaking? If I'm apathetic about this, what are the good things that have become "god" things that my life is really about?
John: Rico, what you're saying is so applicable to so many of our listeners and I'm just gonna encourage you as a listener to get Rico Tice's book, Honest Evangelism. We've got that here at Focus on the Family. Stop by the website or call 800-A-FAMILY and we'll tell you more.
And if you're excited about what Rico is talking about, how to share your faith, even with family members who might be resistant, then help us with this broadcast and our efforts here at Focus and contribute today. And when you do, we'll send that book to you as our way of saying thank you.
John: And Rico, I think you're on to something there that I just realized as you're speaking and that is, that I feel sometimes a pressure to win the opportunity to talk about Jesus with people. And sometimes those around me who know me best, I feel like I've made so many mistakes. And there's no way I can get over that hurdle. What's the starting point for that?
Rico: Well, brother, we've gotta to remember, the qualification for being Christian is not are you good enough, but are you bad enough? You know, it's amazing, when we run Christianity Explored, which is basically just this journey through Mark's Gospel. We just let the Gospel tell the Gospel. You ask any question you like.
But week three tends to be the crunch week and I begin by saying, "Jesus in Mark 2, verse 17 said, 'I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners.' In other words, the qualifications of being here is not are you good enough, but are you bad enough?" I became a Christian, 'cause I'm a bad man and I needed forgiveness.
So, therefore in my family, I just think the issue is to be honest about it. You know, I'm working on this. I'm sorry about that. I admit these things. So, and the reason I come to Jesus is I need help. And I think it's very disarming when there's that honesty and we mustn't be too presented.
You know, the English are classic on this. I mean, you know, we just get so presented and up ourselves it's hopeless. And what we've gotta do is just be straight about what's going wrong and saying, look, I'm tryin' to work on it.
And I think with anybody, that level of honesty is disarming, and can I say again, it begins at the start of the day as I look at the Bible, as I see my wrongdoing, as I say, "Lord Jesus, I'm so sorry as I see my sin afresh. The Bible's like a mirror. I'm sorry." There's that moment of, like the prodigal coming back to Him, when I say, "Lord, forgive me." There's that moment of being embraced. It's the most glorious moment in Christian faith, as I ask for forgiveness. Then I repent, and I try to get going again. Well, I think we've gotta bring that not just vertically, but horizontally. So, when we're getting stuff wrong, we say, "Look, hands off. I'm sorry."
Jim: Rico, you talk about talking to the family. My wife, Jean, she's the only Christian in her family. There's four other siblings, and her mom passed away not long ago. And she did something even back with her mom and dad when they were both alive, called a family conference. And my wife's a biochemist by training, so she's very scientific. So, she called the family meeting and went out to California and sat everybody down in the living room and went through a very detailed explanation of the Gospel and talked about the Lord.
She had one brother put his hand up and say, "Jeanie, I love you, but I'm an atheist. I don't believe any of this." That's the pain line you're talkin' about, right? Define that pain line that you mentioned a while ago, when you put yourself out there and you get virtually no response back, at least what you could see.
Rico: Well, that's right and what must happen is, I mean, I find with new Christians, they've just come to faith, they bounce up to their family and then they get a knock-back like that. And they think they've done something wrong and they really haven't. They've just given people the opportunity to hear. And what I find in England is, people get knocked back. They hit the pain line a couple of times and then they say evangelism's not for me, because it—
Jim: I can't do it.
Rico: --of this this pain. But I can't do it because I'm too nervous or this feels uncomfortable.
Jim: What should that person do when they hear that in their heart? What's the next step they should take?
Rico: Well, brother, sister, you've gotta keep going. I mean, you know, we've gotta say, "Lord, I believe in the Holy Spirit. Help me to love these people, but I'm gonna keep speaking." Now it's very interesting. In Acts, chapter 18, I think almost the key verses in Acts are verses 9 and 10, where Paul is told by the Lord in a vision, "Keep speaking; I'm with you." He's sovereign; He's in control.
So your wife is going on speaking, God bless her, if a brother puts his hand up and says that. But I'd also say, you know, she's had a go. Wipe the dust off your feet at one level. So, come out of it. You've gotta keep going. If someone said, "Look, I'm an atheist; I don't want anymore," well, fine. She's given him the opportunity, but don't stop crossing the pain line and saying to people, "Do you celebrate Christmas? Would you come and do that with me?"
I mean, in England, that's still culturally acceptable to ask anyone to come and celebrate Christmas. So I'm keeping saying to people, do that. The big issue we've got, because Christianity is less acceptable is trying to train the churches to say, "Look, would you like to look at the Bible with me? So, just confidentially, individually we'll just look together. We'll just be Bible sharers. Let me just open the Bible. We'll just look at a passage. I'll ask some questions. I'm not the teacher. The Bible's the teacher, but let's have a look. Now, if you can get to that, where again, it's a big pain line to say, "Do you want to have a look at the Bible?" But they can just say yes or no.
Jim: Right. You'll still hopefully be breathing after that question.
Rico: Yeah, well, I've gotta tell you. The first time it happened with me, I mean, so I'm at rugby training, I'm 20-years-old. I've come from a tobacco family. I'm not from a Christian home. My second year at college, and I'm literally lining up for a drill at rugby training, and this guy called Andy Roberts, who's right next to me says, "I've had a terrible summer." I said, "Oh, Andy." He said, "Yeah." He said, "My brother was killed in a farming accident." I said, "Mate!" He said, "Yeah."
He said, "My brother was a Christian." I said, "Your brother was a Christian." He said, "Yeah." He said, "It made me think." And it just came out before I knew it, and I said, "Well, do you want to look at the Bible with me?" And he went, "Yeah, okay."
So, I didn't know what I was gonna do, but someone had told me Isaiah 53 was good. Did you know that? (Laughter) Apparently, it's good. So, I got my four questions. I went round to his flat in Redland, in Bristol in England. And I knocked on the door and went in, and I started reading Isaiah 53 with my questions, and I started sweating. I was so nervous, I was sweating. He said, "Rico, you're sweating all over the Bible." I said, "No, I'm fine; I'm fine."
Jim: 'Cause you hadn't done this before.
Rico: Never done it before. I asked him the four questions. He's a typical "rugger head." He goes, "Yeah, no, no, yeah." So, we're finished in two minutes. Then I say a little prayer, and then I said, "Do you want to do it again?" He said, "Yeah." He said, "Are you gonna sweat so much next time?" you know. (Laughter) Actually I'm just saying, when you start, it's scary, but Andy and I were friends. And I was the only guy, I think, he knew who was Christian.
Now, can I say, we're in a culture where people aren't really trusting the pastors any longer. So, it's the friends they trust. So, just say, "Look, do you want to have a look at the Bible? I'm no expert, but I've got some questions here. We'll let the Bible teach us, just see how it goes."
Jim: Let me ask you this. When you get the question that you can't answer, so many times Christians will attempt to answer the question, and they fumble—
Jim: --and maybe give the wrong answer. What should you do when you really don't know the answer?
Rico: Oh, brother, tell them you don't know. So, I always say, the cults have all the answers. You know, they've drilled people. They've got all the answers. If I don't know, I say, "Well, that's a great question. I don't know. I'll come back to you." But that's what I love about the Christianity Explored course, that you know, we're on journey together. We'll say, "Look, come next week and I'll try and find something for you."
Jim: Yeah, just answer honestly.
Rico: Yeah, we begin the course with the question, you know, if God was here and you could ask Him any question, what would it be? So, we start with, "Look, what are your questions?" We want to listen. And of course, people come up with stuff, and you're going, "My dear friend, I've got no idea what to say to that; that's desperate suffering." But we're then on a journey looking at Jesus, and looking at Jesus in Mark's Gospel, but at the same time, trying to bring their experience to bear as we look at the Creator of the world.
Jim: And I think it's one of the core things here at Focus on the Family. Of course, we're dealing with marriages and difficulty in marriages. We're dealing with parents who are struggling with prodigal children, all of those things that are normal life issues. But at the core of Focus's heartbeat is reaching people for Christ.
And last year alone, we had over 210,000 people come to Christ, or rededicate their life to the Lord through the radio and through other efforts here at Focus on the Family. It is the most significant number that I track here at Focus, is are we doing the fundamental job of turning people toward the Lord, so they can start that relationship with Him, find salvation in Him, and begin to sort out the difficulties that they're having in their life? It's a pretty good thing to do, isn't it?
Rico: Well, I thank God for you, brother, and thank you again for the help you've been in Britain to get things started, as well, with the family work we're doing there. Just to say on that, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think Colossians 3, verse 13 is a massive verse. "Bear with one another, forgive whatever grievances you have against each other." Well, how? How am I to do that? Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Rico: So, the mechanism of reconciliation is the Cross. And I always say to people, there are two phrases in family life, in married life that are absolutely crucial and they are, "I'm sorry; I was wrong." And "That's okay, I forgive you." And that brings in the cycle of forgiveness, and the Cross is what enables me to do that. I look at what I've been forgiven by God, and then I can forgive others and I can ask for forgiveness.
Jim: You know, Rico, it sounds like you are a broken, humble person, that you recognize you're a sinner saved by grace. How did that happen? You mentioned your first time explaining to your friend about the Gospel, but how did that happen for you? Who reached out to you?
Rico: Well, interestingly, it was the death of a loved one. So, on the 6th of August, 1982, I wasn't from a Christian home. I was at an English boarding school and my godfather was killed in a cliff fall.
Jim: A cliff fall.
Rico: A cliff fall, yeah, he'd immigrated to Canada. He had a little boat. He moored at a small island. Went for a walk. There was a tree that had fallen across a cliff path. He tried to climb over the tree, slipped and fell off the cliff and fell to his death. That was the first time I saw my father weep.
And I realized no one in my family had any answer to his death. And a math teacher said to me, "When Christ rose from the dead, He rose to get you through death." And I remember thinking, if that's true, it's the most important thing in the world.
Rico: Then at the same time, interestingly, I thought I was such a great guy, I owed it to the world to recall my life, so I kept this diary night after night. And I found out I was a total idiot, so that was an amazing experience, too.
You know, I'd write in the diary, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was world peace," yet I'd never lay aside the weapons of malice and sarcasm I used in my own self-defense. I'd write in the dairy, you know, "Wouldn't it be great if the starving were fed." But I'd ask my parents for a larger allowance and eat it. And you know, I just saw in myself there was this massive gap between the real and the ideal.
Years later I read in Romans, Paul writes, "I don't do what I want to do and the evil I don't want to do, This I keep on doing." And again, this math teacher, as I kept that diary and I spoke to him, he said, "Look, when Christ died on the Cross, He died that you could be forgiven."
And I've never really moved from those two experiences. Jesus died on Good Friday so I could be forgiven my guilt. And He rose on Easter Day, so I could have hope in the face of death. And for me, the next 30 years have been about telling people that. And the Lord Jesus is the One who can do this.
But, then as He dies on Good Friday, He dies so we can forgive each other. So, can I say again, for family life, I'm sorry; I was wrong. That's a "Can I forgive you?" Well, that's a "Can I love you?" Those phrases, that is the cycle that keeps intimacy. Because, if you're not saying that, what happens is, sin puts the Great Wall of China up between you.
So, people at my church, single people, they come to me and they say, "I'm lonely." And I say, "No, you're not." They say, "No, I'm lonely." I say, "No, no." The people in bad marriages are really lonely." And the heart of that is, we're not forgiving each other. So, I look at Jesus, and I have grievances, Colossians 3:13, but forgive whatever grievances, forgive as the Lord forgave you. So, that is the heart of what keeps me forgiving, and it keeps the intimacy, both with the Lord and with my wife and family.
Jim: Well, and it keeps you in a humble place, which is a good place. Rico Tice, author of the book, Honest Evangelism, what a great example and what great stories are in this book to help us be more courageous about sharing our faith and telling people the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thanks for bein' with us.
Rico: It's been an absolute joy to join you here, and I am looking forward to walking in the Colorado hills this afternoon.
Jim: Those are mountains.
Rico: Mountains! (Laughter) Sorry, yeah, mountains. How dare I?
Jim: Good to have you.
Rico: Yeah, yeah.
John: Well, regardless of what you call them, we really have had some great conversation here today and Rico Tice is a wonderful guest. I hope you're gonna get a CD or a download of the program and that you'll listen to it maybe as a family. Share it with your small group. This is the kind of approach we need to have with our friends and neighbors.
And again, the full title of Rico's book is Honest Evangelism: How to Talk About Jesus Even When It's Tough. It's 100 pages of exciting reading about evangelism that may be the jump start you need to be a little more bold about your faith. Get a copy of the book and the CD when you call 800-A-FAMILY. That's 800-232-6459 or you'll find those at www.focusonthefamily.com/radio .
And when you contribute generously to the work of Focus on the Family, we're dedicated to proclaiming the Gospel, we're gonna send Rico's book to you as our thank-you gift and acknowledgment of your part of the work here at Focus on the Family.
And our program was provided by Focus on the Family. On behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team, thanks for listening. I'm John Fuller, inviting you back tomorrow. We'll wrap up the week as we talk with media expert Paul Asay. He's got suggestions to help you navigate your summer entertainment choices.
Paul Asay: If there's anything that bonds us together these days it's entertainment. I mean, we may disagree about politics. We may disagree about religion, but we have feelings on the latest superhero movie. We ... we want to engage with people. And so, it sort of forms a point of contact.
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John: Once again, Paul Asay joins us to talk about media and entertainment and superhero movies, as we once again, tomorrow help you and your family thrive.
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