John Fuller: It’s a new year and the perfect time to take stock and make some resolutions, especially when it comes to healthy eating. And don’t wince; we have a great program for you featuring some wonderful ideas on “Focus on the Family” from dietician David Meinz.
David Meinz: Food has to be protein, carbohydrate or fat. That’s it. There is nothing else. Well, there’s Spam, but we don’t know where that comes from, all right? So (Laughter), that’s a fourth food group. (Laughter) Have you seen this? They’ve got Spam Lite now. Have you seen this in the grocery store? Yes. We still don’t know where it comes from, but there’s less of it. So, that’s good right there. (Laughter)
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John: As you can see, David Meinz is a great communicator and that’s probably why this was one of our most popular programs in 2014. I’m John Fuller and your host is Focus president, Jim Daly.
Jim Daly: John, they say that you can really learn more when you’re laughing and I think David Meinz epitomizes that approach, as he tries to encourage people to be a bit more aware about nutrition, which, you know, this is the battle I fight all the time. It doesn’t look like you battle it too much.
John: No, I battle it.
Jim: But we’ll hear, sometimes it’s just a matter of reading those nutritional facts, which I’m trying to do more of, to be honest, that are right there on the back of the bag of chips or whatever we might be grabbing, so that we can see exactly what’s in the food that we’re choosing to eat and whether or not it’s healthy for us.
John: Well, as you said, laughter is a key to this presentation and Jim, I remember playing this for our family several years ago and this message remains a family favorite. Everybody should listen. David Meinz is a registered dietician. He’s internationally known as a speaker. His latest book is called Wealthy, Healthy and Wise. And here now is David Meinz on today’s “Focus on the Family.”
David: You know, I always like to begin by asking a couple of questions. If I could just see a show of hands please. How many of you here today would agree that God cares about your health? Raise your hand now. Thank you. Secondly, how many of you here today would agree that, that health is directly influenced by the food that you eat? Thank you. And then thirdly and lastly, how many of you here today do believe in God and do personally eat food yourselves? Raise your hand. (Laughter)
Good, you’ve come to the right place if you said yes to all three, ’cause that’s what we’re gonna talk about today, is the topic of the quality of the fuel you put into your body–we call that “food”–into this body we call “the temple of the Holy Spirit.”
And the news, ladies and gentlemen, is better than it’s ever been before. Today you have greater opportunity to improve the quality of the health that most of us have been blessed with from the very beginnings, than you’ve ever had before at any other time. And simultaneously, you have more opportunities to hurt that health than ever before. And it’s going on at the same time.
Today, I want to help you read between the lines, when it comes to the health care decisions you make, because you see, you don’t make your health care decisions in the physician’s office or in a hospital. You make those health care decisions in the American grocery store and in restaurants. That’s where you make your health care decisions.
We’re also gonna look at a couple other topics. We’re gonna look at the basic four food groups–McDonald’s, Pizza Hut, Wendy’s and Burger King. (Laughter) Because you see, that’s where we live these days, is in a fast-paced world and sometimes it is fast food or it’s nothing at all. And by golly, you can do very well if you know some basics. So, I’m gonna share that with you, as well.
And then finally, we’re gonna talk about a topic that is not unique to our age. As a matter of fact, being overweight has been in Scripture for years. And I’ll share some Scriptures that you might not even know are in there. Being overweight is not a new problem. It’s been around for some time.
Well, you know what? It turns out that God is good for you and now the scientific community is starting to acknowledge that. People that are of faith have reduced blood pressure than people that don’t believe. They have increased survival rates. Once they do get sick, they’re more likely to get better. People that have religious faith, have less alcohol, cigarette and drug use. They’re less depressed. They get less angry and they have less anxiety, as well.
The research continues on that says, people of religious faith have a greater sense of happiness and well-being. They enjoy life better. They have greater marital satisfaction, stability, less stress and fewer psychological problems and better self-esteem.
It turns out that the Bible has some things to say about what you eat and nutrition, too. And look at this. Way back in Leviticus, it says, “The Lord said to Moses, ‘Say to the Israelites, do not eat any of the fat of cattle, sheep or goats.” So, keep in mind, this was written 3,000 years ago.
And yet, as a nutritionist and as a registered dietitian, as I go around the country and speak 50 to 60 times a year, what I continually tell audiences is, if there is one thing in your food that you need to eat less of-listen, not get rid of it; eat less of it–it is fat in your food. And the Bible specifically says, animal fat is the real culprit. And you know what we’re telling people today, is that animal fat is the real culprit.
We call that “saturated fat.” Some of you have heard about that now. Saturated fat–animal fat–is the real danger when it comes to the big killer in this country of Christians and that’s heart disease. And ladies, it kills more women every year now than it does men. Now a lot of people don’t realize that.
Well, since that is the issue, what I’d like to do is take a quick quiz, everybody here. I’d like you to raise your hand, as you give me an answer to this first question, if you would. The question says, “What is a good daily level of fat intake for an adult, male or female?” So, if I could and everybody go through; when I read your answer, I want you to raise your hand, please.
Is it 80 grams, 50 grams, 30 grams or 10 grams of fat? What’s a good healthy level of fat intake for an adult, man or woman? Here we go. Everybody vote please. How many of you here say 80 grams is a good healthy level, raise your hand now–80 grams. (Laughter) Nobody. Oh, one. Okay. (Laughter)
Good. How many of you say 50 grams is a good level? Fifty, just a couple of you. How many of you say 30 grams is a good? Wow! Look around before you lower your hand. That’s almost everybody here, is 30 grams of fat. How many of you say 10 grams of fat is a good level? Just a couple. How many of you say you shouldn’t eat any fat or associate with people who do eat fat? Raise your hand now. (Laughter) Stay away from those people. (Laughter)
You know, wherever I go, what[ever] church, business, association I speak to, consistently I get the same answer I got here tonight and that’s 30 grams is a good healthy level of fat intake for an adult. And that’s surprising, because you see, the answer never has been 30 grams of fat. The correct answer for adults on a conservative side is 50 grams of fat a day–50 grams of fat a day. (Audience Murmuring)
Now let me tell you why that’s so confusing. Because for years now you’ve been hearing the American Heart Association, the Cancer Society, all these health organizations, telling you a certain amount of fat that you should be getting every day. And they have not been telling you 80 or 50 or 10. What number have you been hearing all these years? (Murmurs) Thirty, that’s exactly right. That’s all you hear, is 30, 30, 30. Get 30. No wonder America thinks that you should be getting 30 grams of fat a day.
But listen, the recommendation has never been to get 30 grams of fat a day. It has always been to get 30 percent–30 percent of your calories every day is not the same thing as 30 grams of fat. And then, [un]fortunately, you have a lot of people going into the grocery store and they look on a product here and they look back and it says, “Wow, it’s got 15 grams of fat. That’s half of 30. I can’t eat that. That’s half my allowance.” Yes, you can. Listen, 30 grams of fat is not the same thing as 30 percent.
Let me show you how this works. Now I agree that you should get about a third of your calories every day from fat or less. In other words, 30 percent. Let’s say you’re taking in 1,500 calories a day. Now you need to realize that the average American’s consumption now is right at 2,000 calories a day. That’s what the average American is taking in–2,000 calories a day. Let’s be conservative. Let’s say you only take 1,500 calories a day. Now what would be therefore a third of 1,500? Five hundred. Now here’s the number you need to remember. There’s nine calories in one gram of fat. There’s nine calories in one gram of fat.
If we’ve got 500 calories to play around with and there’s 9 calories in one of those grams, you just do the arithmetic. And you know when you do that, you get 50 grams of fat. And that’s the same thing as 30 percent. So, a couple weeks from now, don’t say, “Well, you know, that David Meinz, nutritionist, he said to get 50 percent fat calories.” No, he didn’t. (Laughter) He said 50 grams is the same thing as 30 percent.
Now let me say something right now, because some of you are thinking, “Well, David, that’s still too many grams of fat. I’ve been counting grams of fat for years. And I know if I went up to 50 grams of fat, I’d gain weight. Please write this down if you care to. The average American’s eating 82 grams of fat a day. That’s the average intake today. The average American’s eating 82. If we can get an average American down to 50 grams of fat, we can dramatically decrease the risk of heart disease, cancer and obesity–the three big killers of Christians in this country.
Now if you’re already counting grams of fat and you’ve been eating less than 50 grams, I congratulate you. And if it fits into your lifestyle and you can be well-nourished and you’re doing under 50, absolutely, by all means, continue to do so. Am I telling you that you must get 50 grams? Is it a requirement? If it’s 11:30 at night, you still have not got 50 (Laughter), what should you do? (Laughter) Go to bed. Tomorrow’s another day. Don’t worry about it.
But what if it’s 6 o’clock in the morning. You just stopped at Denny’s; had the Grand Slam breakfast, used all 50 on one plate, what should you do? Go back to bed. Exactly right. (Laughter) See, the day is over. (Laughter) You’re done. (Laughter)
Well, let’s see if we can make some application of all this. Let’s look at some chips right here and get real personal real fast. (Sound of bag being opened) Here I got some Ruffles chips and we’re looking for grams of fat here and the grams of fat is 10 per serving. And they say this bag serves 14 adults. (Laughter) That’s right. (Sound of bag ripping) (Laughter) The first seven adults get air. (Laughter) The next seven adults get chips.
Now look up here. A lot of you could probably go through most of this bag right here and we just said there’s 10 grams of fat, 14 servings. That’s 140 grams right there. And some of you could go through that bag without any problem. As a matter of fact, some of you are wondering what he’s gonna do with the bag after the seminar’s over with. (Laughter) I know what you’re thinkin’. (Laughter) That’s 140 grams. Hey, can we do better than this? Yes, we can.
Here’s Ruffles Reduced Fat; grams of fat is 7; serves 13 people in this bag. (Sound of ripping) But once again, a lot of air, but now you tell me. Seven times 13, is that what we said, yeah; 91 grams of fat. Is that better than 140? It sure is. Can we do better than this? Yes, we can. Look. (Sound of ripping)
Here’s Baked Lay’s. Can you say “cardboard?” (Laughter) Good. (Laughter) Have you had these things? (Laughter) Eh! Now it’s got 1½ grams of fat. It only serves 10, because that’s as many people as you can find to eat this product, is only 10. (Laughter) So, that’s 15 grams of fat in the whole bag. Now I know some of you like these chips here and that’s good. Why not? Why waste fat grams if you don’t have to.
But see what I think a lot of the food manufacturers do is, they start over here on the high fat side and then, if they would stop in moderation as they reduced the fat in a food, I think we’d be all right. But they don’t. You know what they do? They come way over here on the fat-free products. And I don’t know about you. Have you tasted some of these fat-free products that are out there? They are bad. (Audience Murmurs) They are terrible. But you don’t ever have to be perfect.
Hey, you know, that’s true in your Christian life, don’t you? You know what? It true in your physical nutritional life, as well. But you probably need to do better than the average American when it comes to health and nutrition and this evening, I want to show you how to do that in real practical bottom-line terms.
(Sound of bag ripping open) Here’s Tostitos Tortilla Corn Chips. Now I know all of you could eat this many waiting for the food to come to your table at the Mexican restaurant. (Laughter) And if you did, you’d get six grams of fat in a service–serves 15 people, so that’s 90 grams of fat right there.
And what did we have on the reduced-fat potato chips? Ninety-one, so not much difference right there between the two. Can we do better. Yes.
(Sound of bag ripping open) Here’s Baked Tostitos. Grams of fat is one and total servings is 14, so there’s 14 grams of fat in this bag, but they’re kind of dry. (Laughter) Let me ask you this. What’s the No. 1 condiment in the United States? It’s no longer ketchup. What is it?
David: Salsa, exactly right. Folks, let me ask you this. How about if I give you this whole bag for 14 grams of fat? I’m gonna put a big bowl of salsa right next to it, which is fat-free incidentally and let you go wild with that bag. How many of you would at least be willing to try that one time as an alternative to 140 grams of fat? Raise your hand now. Thank you. And you know what? You didn’t have this choice 10 years ago. Things are better than they’ve ever been before, but they’re worse than they’ve ever been before at the same time.
(Sound of ripping) Here’s Häagen-Dazs. You familiar with Häagen-Dazs? (Laughter) Look up here. Häagen-Dazs is Swedish for heart disease. (Laughter) That’s what that means right there, okay? (Laughter) Disease. A lot of people don’t know the translation–heart disease. (Laughter) Grams of fat is 22 grams of fat per–
David: –serving. Thank you, per serving and they say this container will serve four adults–four. (Laughter) “More Häagen-Dazs?” “No, I had a tablespoon; I’m stuffed. I could not eat another bite.” (Laughter) Please! (Laughter) Four servings! How about one serving?
Man in Audience: Yeah.
David: You’re all alone in the house. (Laughter) You can burn the container in the fireplace. (Laughter) Oh, I’m hittin’ a nerve, I think. Yeah! (Laughter) There’s 88 grams of fat in this container right here. What should you be getting roughly about, for a day? Don’t say 30.
David: Fifty a day or less. There’s 88 right there. That’s okay. You just can’t eat until about next Thursday. That’s all right. (Laughter)
John: You’re listening to dietician David Meinz on “Focus on the Family” and you’ll hear some simple ways to make better choices on your next trip to the grocery store in just a moment. And by the way, get a CD of this program with extra content for listening again or passing along to someone else. We have those when you call 800-A-FAMILY; 800-232-6459 or you can get the instant download right now at www.focusonthefamily.com/radio. Let’s return now to David Meinz on “Focus on the Family.”
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David: Many of you would agree that when it comes to these fat-free products especially, they don’t get the taste right. On the other hand, how many of you would agree with me that when it comes to taste and frozen yogurts, they’ve done a pretty good job? Yes? I think so, too.
Look at this. The same people that bring you 88 grams of fat in that container is now Häagen-Dazs chocolate frozen yogurt. And listen. It doesn’t have 22 grams of fat in a serving; it has 2½ grams of fat in a serving. Still serves four. That’s a total of 10 grams of fat. Is that better than 88 grams of fat? It sure is.
Hey, here’s some good news for those of you who are still eating regular Häagen-Dazs. I don’t know if you know this or not, but it’s been recategorized by the Food and Drug Administration. It’s not even a food any more. It’s now an antidepressant. So, that’s good. (Laughter) That’s more of a medication. That’s good to know that. Keep that in mind. (Laughter)
Well, you know what? You make your health care decisions in the grocery store, but there’s a game going on in the grocery store. And the game is between you and the food manufacturers. It’s not between you and the grocers; don’t get mad at them. They’re just the middle men. It’s between you and the food manufacturers. You have something they want. What is it?
David: Money. They have something you want. What is it? Cheez Doodles. Now what you want to do (Laughter) is make a switch here and see if we can come out okay for both parties. So, to understand what to do in the grocery store and to understand how to win at the game of good health, you need to know that there are some rules to the game.
And if you would please, I’d like you to write down, if you’re taking some notes, the rules to the game, because you must know these the next time you go into the grocery store. The very first one I’d like you to write down please, is that a good healthy level, as we’ve already said, of fat in your food every day is 50 grams of fat a day or less. Please write “or less” in there. It’s not a requirement; 50 grams of fat a day or less is a good healthy level.
Next on the rules to the game is 2,000 milligrams of sodium. That’s your allowance for salt and that’s a surprise to a lot of people because it sounds like too much sodium. Folks, what units are we using up there? Milligrams. Are they large or small.
David: Oh, very small. How many of those do you need to have [in] anything? You need a bunch of ’em. As a matter of fact, if you’re taking notes, write under the number 2,000 please, write one level teaspoon of salt is the same thing. One teaspoon of sale, one level teaspoon of salt has 2,000 milligrams of sodium in it. Oh, well, that changes everything.
So, now if you look up there, what that means is, your allowance–listen–your allowance for the whole day is what? One teaspoon of salt, level teaspoon of salt, from everything for the whole day and now that doesn’t sound so liberal anymore. But in just a minute you’re gonna see a lot of people find some perfectly good low-fat, tasty foods in the grocery store and they’re intimidated by big-sounding salt numbers and they throw that right back on the shelf again. You don’t have to fall for that anymore after today.
The next on your rules for the game please is fiber–30 grams of fiber a day. Thirty is a good level. In parentheses somewhere next to that if you want to, write in what the average American’s taking in. And the average American is taking in 10 grams of fiber, 10. Thirty is where you need to be.
Well, you can’t get good fiber in a grocery anymore. That’s the problem. Everything’s puffed up and white, enriched and you know what? That’s not true. You can get plenty of fiber in the grocery store, it’s just that there’s not much roughage in a Hostess Ding Dong. (Laughter) So, it depends on where you’re getting your roughage.
Ten is where most of us are. Thirty is where you need to be. One word of warning, please don’t go from 10 to 30 by tonight. (Laughter) You’ll miss church. (Laughter) All right, okay, I won’t go any farther. (Laughter)
Next, in just a minute, I’m gonna show you why you need to put the sugar bowl back on the table again, especially if you have small children at home. And I know that sounds like heresy, coming from a nutritionist. But in just a minute, you’re gonna see how you can dramatically decrease the sugar intake of a child, if you’ll put the sugar bowl back on the table again. But to do so, you must know the sugar conversation factor of one teaspoon is equal to four grams. One teaspoon is equal to four grams. So, if you see something that’s got 40 grams of sugar in it, you know that’s 10 teaspoons. What if though this is the serving size right here? What’s your opinion of that food? Is it pretty high or low in sugar?
David: High. On the other hand, let’s say you see a product that’s only got 2 grams of sugar, 2. What would that be in teaspoons? Half a teaspoon. And look; the serving size is this big. What’s your opinion of that food? It’s pretty low in sugar, isn’t it? Good. Most people don’t know how to do what you just did. In just a minute, I’m gonna show you why you need to put the sugar bowl back on the table again.
And then finally, the last thing on the rules to the game before we go to the grocery store is cholesterol in your food. Cholesterol in your food, 300 milligrams a day or less is just fine. Don’t be confused by blood cholesterol. That’s a different number. We’re talking food cholesterol right now and for food cholesterol, you want 300 milligrams a day or less in your food.
Those are the rules to the game that I just gave you. Somebody look up there and tell me, where did cholesterol end up on the list?
David: Bottom, last. In my opinion as a nutritionist, I believe of all the things on that, one of the least important things is cholesterol in your food. You wouldn’t know that if you went to the grocery store though, would you? Because what do you see on the outside of the label in big print. No cholesterol! Reduced cholesterol. Cholesterol Free! As if cholesterol is the epitome of all evil when it comes to your health.
When in fact, folks, this is the reality. Cholesterol is an accomplice to the crime, the big killer of Christians, heart disease. Cholesterol in your food is an accomplice to that crime, but it is not the guilty party. Listen, you must know what your blood cholesterol numbers are. That’s true, because the higher your blood cholesterol numbers are, the higher your risk of dying from the biggest killer of Christians and that’s heart disease.
You must know what your cholesterol numbers are. But here’s what a lot of people aren’t clear with. They know that if they eat a lot of cholesterol, like in egg yolks, it makes their cholesterol go up and that’s true and that makes sense. But what many people still don’t know is, there’s something else in your food that will make your blood cholesterol go up even more than eating pure cholesterol. And it’s not the thing at the bottom of the list. It’s the thing at the top of the list, fat, especially when it comes from animals and we call that what? Saturated fat and Scripture specifically says, that’s the ingredient you need to watch out for, that animal fat.
There are the rules to the game. I hope you’ve got those down, because now we’re gonna take a trip to the grocery store.
Here we’ve got two TV dinners, both of them chicken microwave dinners. I want to make a comparison here and see what we’ve got. First of all, we’ve got this Healthy Choice. Let me ask you, just because it says “healthy,” is that an absolute guarantee, 100 percent, it’s always good for you? Not necessarily.
We look on the back here and we’ve got all kinds of numbers. Based on what you’ve seen so far, what’s the very first thing you’d like to know? Please don’t say “calories. “
David: Fat, very good. Incidentally, have you noticed how much we’ve talked about calories so far tonight? None. Now, let me clarify. Calories do count. Don’t listen to anybody tell you that they don’t. You absolutely need to be aware of your calorie intake. But folks, if you count grams of fat, calories have to come down at the same time, ’cause there’s more calories in a gram of fat than there is anything else.
Look, food is only made up of three things. Food is made up of fat, like butter, margarine, mayonnaise. It’s made up of carbohydrate, like bread, cereal, pasta, potatoes. Or it’s made up of protein, like lean meat and turkey and so forth. Food has to be protein, carbohydrate or fat. That’s it; there is nothing else. Well, there’s Spam, but we don’t know where that comes from, all right (Laughter). So, that’s a fourth food group. (Laughter) Have you seen this? They’ve got Spam Lite now. Have you seen this in the grocery store? Yes. We still don’t know where it comes from, but there’s less of it. So, that’s good right there. (Laughter)
Before you even eat it, while it’s still on your plate, nothing is as fattening as fat, per ounce, per serving. And when you count fat grams and you don’t replace it with a high-sugar food, then calories must come down. So, calories do count, but right now, you’re correct when you say “grams of fat.”
So, we’re looking for grams of fat here and it says eight grams of fat per serving, which is a box–eight grams. What do you think so far? That’s okay. What are you allowed for the day? Fifty, so far so good. What else would you like to know? Salt, exactly right. ‘Cause see, that’s where they load all this stuff up, is with salt. So, we look on the side here for sodium and we find 540 milligrams of sodium.
Cholesterol is also listed, not that it’s near as important as the fat in this product. But the cholesterol is also listed at 45 milligrams. What are you allowed? Three hundred. Look up here. What do you think? Thumbs up or down on this product? We’ll give that a thumbs up. Keep that in mind. That’s a chicken dinner.
Let’s make a comparison here. Have you seen Dead Man … I mean a Hungry Man pizza … sorry. (Laughter) Not Dead Man, Hungry Man TV Dinners, sorry. Grams of fat is 41. Ooh, 41 grams of fat. Sodium is 2380 milligrams. (Audience reaction) Shew! Do you know what somebody said? That’s basically your allowance for the whole day, isn’t it? In other words, look up here. You better not be hungry, man. This is it!
Think of the time you could save. Hey, dinner’s ready. (Laughter) And lunch and breakfast. I’m not cooking any more. (Laughter)
Now be careful. They bring these nutritionists in to tell you never eat Hungry Man dinners again. Is that the lesson? No. If you’re taking notes, would you please write two words down for me? Please write two words down for me. Those words are “frequency” and “quantity,” frequency and quantity.
It’s how often you eat a food and what? How–
David: –much of it you eat that’s gonna impact your health. Listen, moderation is the foundation upon which nutrition and good health are built. Moderation is the foundation upon which nutrition and good health are built and that foundation is based upon frequency and quantity.
Look up here. This is the kind of food I eat now and then. Is that gonna have an impact on my health at all? No. But on the other hand, if this is the kind of food I eat three times a week, week in, week out, could it potentially have a negative impact on my health five years from now? Yes. It’s how often and how much of anything you eat that’s gonna influence your health.
John: We’re listening to dietician David Meinz on today’s edition of “Focus on the Family” and you’ll hear his thoughts about weight loss tomorrow. And in the meantime, we’ll have more information about the different kinds of dietary fats that he referenced there on our website, in case you’d like to follow up on that subject.}
Jim: John, that’s a great idea. I also wanted to mention that there’s a wide variety of advice out there on nutrition and weight loss. I know I’ve (Chuckling) gone through so many attempts to try to do that. But members of our Physicians Resource Council have reviewed [this] and that’s a group [of] about 40 physicians that help guide us in bioethics and our medical content, because we want to be sound in that area. And they’ve reviewed David’s message and they feel that, on a whole, the information he provides is very sound and it’s a great start for those of us who maybe haven’t really been paying attention to those labels and need to start doing so.
John: Uh-hm and I mentioned, Jim, earlier that our whole family listened to this. Right now we have a teenager who, it seems that the diet is all starch. (Laughter) And I’m trying to say, “Eat some protein with those potato chips” or–
Jim: I can relate–
Jim: –to that. I loved baked potato.
John: Oh, I do, too.
Jim: I love bread; all the stuff I can’t eat is what I love to eat.
John: Well, I’ll try to–
Jim: I’m like Paul.
John: –help you with that. (Laughter)
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