Hettie Brittz: God is, uh, shaping both you and your child through the dissonance that you experience, uh, because your temperament is not the same as your child. And when you rub them up the wrong way, they still are growing through that, and so are you.
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John Fuller: That’s Hettie Brittz reflecting on some of the challenges and opportunities that you’re likely to face with different personalities in your home. And you’ll hear more from her on today’s Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. Thanks for joining us, I’m John Fuller.
Jim Daly: John, we mentioned last time that this conversation with Hettie was one of our most popular programs of the year. And that’s why we’re airing it again today. Her exploration of different personality types reminds me of that scripture from 1 Corinthians 12, verses 4 through 6, which says: “Now, there are a variety of gifts but the same spirit. And there are varieties of service but the same Lord. And there are a variety of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.” That’s what Hettie is saying – that we’ve been created with these unique perspectives and approaches to life. And she’s captured all of that in her wonderful book, Growing Kids with Character: Nurturing Your Child’s Potential, Purpose, and Passion.
John: Yeah, there’s a great perspective, uh, in what Hettie shares. And her message really resonated with our listeners earlier this year. When we originally aired the broadcast, we got a comment on the Focus Facebook page, which said: “Growing Kids of Character is one of the best books I’ve ever read, and I still use it today even with my teenagers. Hettie Brittz is a remarkable woman. Her faith in God is so strong, and she truly is an inspiration.” What a great endorsement that is, and we’ll have details about Hettie and the book at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. Or call us if you’d like to know more: 800, the letter A and the word FAMILY. Let’s go ahead and turn now to part 2 of this Best of 2018 broadcast with Hettie Brittz on Focus on the Family.
Jim: Hettie, we do welcome you back. Uh, last time, we talked about these characteristics, and it’s brilliant what you’ve done, I mean, to put these…
Hettie: Thank you.
Jim: …In the context of trees. Um, and it really helps a parent better understand who they are and who their children are wired to be. And, uh, probably the nugget I pulled out of the program last time is this idea that we have conflict with our children and much of it is going to be rooted in this communication style issue – uh, the parent being built a certain way by God, and then the child to be, maybe, sometimes opposite of that. And so you have conflict when conflict doesn’t need to exist really. You just need to understand each other a bit better and for the parent, the adult in the room, to really work that understanding so that they could help shape their children and help develop their character. Is that a good summary?
Hettie: Absolutely. Because from that, my question as a parent is so if I know this is my child, and these are my child’s needs, how many of those needs should I indulge? And when should I shape? Um, because the world out there is not going to say, “Give me your tree type, and then I will do everything in a way that makes you happy.” And so it’s that fine line between shaping them to be able to work in a world with anybody – people who are not like them and don’t accommodate their needs – but also to make sure that, in my house, they know they’re all loved and welcomed and that I teach in a way that works, that I disciple their heart and that I help them on their route that God has for them.
Hettie: Because they’re all going to honor God in different ways. We just read about those gifts and those activities that are going to be different with each child. But it’s – they all have, in them, a seed to be God-honoring people bringing Him glory in their…
Jim: Sure. And it’s important to know…
Jim: …Right from the outset, whatever your lumber is, if you pardon the pun…
Hettie: No, I love the pun.
Jim: …God is in this.
Jim: I mean that’s the brilliance of it – that God is present. And it’s all about being rooted in His character and developing in His character so that you can be a formidable tool in His hands while we walk this Earth. And that’s what you’re getting at. So let’s get to it. Uh, last time, we talked about the palm tree, which I resonate with. It’s kind of the fun-loving person who wants to go to the party and – and interact with people. You get a lot of energy. Usually, it shows up in children, as you described yesterday, as that energetic, talkative child, which I was, and, you know, that – that child that just has a real insatiable desire to know things, and they’re just bugging you sometimes.
Hettie: Yeah, and they’re on the go. And we want to put them in the box, and we want to get them into a routine, and it’s not really working. And actually, our best investment is going to be in discipling their heart, making sure they follow the right moral, you know, pointers – good friends, good role models…
Hettie: …And by keeping in mind their purpose. Because this design is so that they can influence people, so that they can draw people into the kingdom, so that they can communicate ideas…
Hettie: …About God. And as long as we’re nurturing that, we’re doing our most important job.
Jim: I could see these being the evangelists.
Jim: These are the ones that get engaged…
Jim: …With culture.
Jim: They’ll go to the party, they don’t care, and they’ll talk to people about the Lord. And that’s a wonderful way to look at it. Then you talked about the rosebush. You’re a self-proclaimed rosebush. That’s how you described your…
Hettie: Yeah, I have a lot of…
Jim: …Parenting style. But that’s what? What’s the rosebush?
Hettie: Feisty, forward-looking, fast, wanting stuff to get done yesterday.
Jim: Where’s the prickly part?
Hettie: Oh, in the words.
Hettie: We are a bit sharp.
Jim: To the point.
Hettie: Yes. I mean, this is a child who – who tells you, you are not being fair, this is what you did yesterday, here are your mistakes, you really should be more this or be more that. And then they’re often right, but it hurts.
Hettie: It’s the prophetic…
Hettie: …That’s coming out.
Jim: When you look at Scripture, would you say Paul was a…
Jim: …Rosebush? I think I would see him as a rosebush.
Hettie: Straight-shooter, very determined, very brave.
Hettie: And when God calls him, he says, “I’m going to show him how much he must suffer for the Gospel.” If you tell a rosebush kid, “I’m going to let you do this, but it’s going to be very tough, nobody’s ever gotten this right.” They go, “ring it on.”
Jim: They want the…
Hettie: That’s what they want.
Jim: They want the challenge.
Hettie: Yes, please. They’re like – very often, the reason they misbehave is life is too easy.
Jim: Wow, interesting. All right, let’s move to the boxwood. Um, we ended there. We gave brief descriptions last time, but most of us won’t even know what a boxwood is. So I’m sorry for our ignorance.
John: I had to go online…
John: …To see it.
Jim: But describe boxwood. And what are the attributes?
Hettie: Their original name that we used to call them by in the past was the lollipop trees because they’re these perfectly shaped round trees. But they can also be shaped into a triangle or square or any shape you like. They’re…
Hettie: Yes, they…
John: Kind of a shrubbery that you can shape…
Jim: The elephant at Disneyland.
Hettie: But they can also be these – these hedges around, you know, the princess gardens. And they’re incredibly teachable the same way these traps are moldable.
Hettie: This is the child who says, just tell me the way it needs to be done, by when and how many times, and they want to do it right. So they have a natural tendency to feel boundaries and to see them and to need them. So when the books tell you children need boundaries, and they love boundaries, then just keep in mind it’s probably a boxwood who wrote the book…
Hettie: …And who believes this firmly that this applies to all kids. Because the boxes are kind of square and linear, and things need to be…
Jim: But logical…
Hettie: …Just right.
Jim: …Is like…
Jim: …We described it – the engineer. Last time…
Hettie: Yes, absolutely.
Jim: …We said it’s kind of that attribute.
Hettie: So this child does everything right by the book. And the parent thinks, “What’s so hard about this? Why can’t everybody else just produce really well-behaved kids? Because I just did everything right, as the book said, and then my child sleeps through the night and feeds when it needs to and…”
Jim: Does everything well.
Hettie: “…Sits still in church and reads his little book on the – you know, on the long journey off to the beach.” And they are easy to parent in that way, except they are emotionally high maintenance.
Jim: Right. So describe that for the parent who is the parent of boxwood child. I mean, you have the descriptions are probably, you know, this is my easiest child, this is the one – I mean, you tell them what to do, and he or she does it. Those would be the kind of descriptors you’ll be using as a parent.
Hettie: They do comply, but there is this whiny voice that comes with the compliance. There’s this “but I just want to do this first. And – but there’s a little spot on my pants. I can’t wear them. But this is not exactly what the teacher said.” You know, there’s…
Hettie: There’s something of a sensitivity there and a discomfort with things not being exactly right. So they can be finicky, and that goes from all the way from how they eat and what they will wear and how they need things done. This is a child who will be so compliant. And the next minute, you make the biggest mistake – you cut their sandwich in squares, and it should have been triangles, and the day is over.
Jim: So perfectionistic is…
Hettie: That is one of their…
Jim: …The other big descriptor.
Hettie: …Unfortunate tendencies, yes.
Jim: Kind of the root of that.
Hettie: The teachers love that.
Jim: How do you parent to soften that? How – and is it appropriate to say, “Okay, I recognize my child is a boxwood, a perfectionist, often easy – they’ll do exactly what I want them to do, and I love that, as a parent – it makes my day easier.” But how do you parent them to be less perfectionistic, to be comfortable with imperfection?
Hettie: It’s very hard. If we look at the way God did this in Moses – Moses complained to God about the people all the time. I mean, he had reason, but he was…
Jim: So Moses was the boxwood.
Hettie: Very much – yeah. And we…
Hettie: …See him complaining and stressing and really struggling with the burden of leading the people. And God helps him out of this, but it takes time. And he doesn’t go into the promised land. He gets to stand in the promised land the first time when Jesus is transfigured on the mountain. And there’s always something of a boxwood really needing time to get to a place where they can choose grace over law. Because that, essentially, is what you’re going to teach this child.
Jim: So they’re going to be hard on themselves and hard on others around them…
Hettie: They are.
Jim: …Because they’re not measuring up to perfection.
Hettie: They could be critical. And they need Christ…
Hettie: …Um, to help them understand what it is to be acceptable even when you are flawed. The phrase “good enough” is going to be the one…
Jim: Really important.
Hettie: …That’s going to be…
Jim: That’s critical. I know – uh, you know, one of my children, they really stressed about getting straight A’s. And I could see the anxiety. And I wanted to make sure we want to hold a high standard, it’s wonderful that you’re doing that, but, you know, a B is going to be okay if – if – and the relaxation, the…
Jim: …Thought that, “Really, Dad is that okay?” I said, “Well, you always want to do your best, obviously, but I don’t want you being anxious and stressing to the point where it’s hurting you emotionally or spiritually.” And it – it has made a difference. I could see that relaxation occur in a good way, in a healthy way. And, uh, it doesn’t mean, you know, I want mediocre. But he is still doing well and getting good enough grades, to your point, and he doesn’t have to reach for perfection.
Hettie: That’s so valuable because you’re separating what he does from who he is.
Hettie: And that is what we can help them do. By embracing their deep emotionality, um, we build relationship with them. If we cannot deal with a meltdown, we cannot deal with the crying, we cannot deal with the whining, not in a sense that we – we give in when they use it to manipulate, but in the sense that when they have had a tough day and are really down about it, we need to be able to embrace that and say, “Today felt like the worst day of the year.”
Jim: So disciplining this child, how does that go, and what does it look like?
Hettie: It’s very easy. You basically remind them of the rule, and they remember that they were wrong. And you tell them what they can do next time, or even ask them, “So you know you did wrong, what would you like to do next time?” And if they can verbalize it, you’re almost good to go. Very little punishment is needed.
Hettie: They do it to themselves.
Jim: How do we…
Hettie: They’re hard on themselves.
Jim: How do we step on the oxygen hose of this child? Because I think this child…
Hettie: It’s easy.
Jim: …Can be very sensitive…
Jim: …Of all the children types.
Jim: How do we do that as a parent? What do we need to be mindful of?
Hettie: By punishing them after they’ve already shown remorse. It’s not necessary. They’re guilt and shame magnets, so shaming is a very, very, uh, harmful thing with them. They’re easily humiliated. They remember those words. They remember what you were wearing. We – we sometimes jokingly, but with a lot of empathy, say that they file all of the negative words on the hard drive alphabetically with the date. And they can pull those things up any time. And then the good – good words, the kindness…
Jim: The re…
Hettie: …The encouragements…
Jim: …The positive reinforcement.
Hettie: …Those are the things they stamp as highly suspicious, and they put them on, you know, a thumb drive.
Hettie: They do not…
Jim: They don’t even trust that.
Hettie: …Always believe that.
Jim: Oh, that’s too bad. That makes my heart heavy for them actually.
Hettie: It is hard. And that is why acceptance and daily reassurance, the way God tells us that He loves us and His reassurance throughout His word, is the way we parent this child’s heart.
Jim: That’s good.
Hettie: Daily reassurance that they are good enough…
Jim: I like that.
Hettie: …And that we love them just because they are ours.
Jim: All right, we’ve got the palm tree, the rosebush, the boxwood now, and then we need to move into the pine tree. So the pine tree, I love the imagery of that – big, bold, rooted…
Hettie: Yes, very rooted.
Jim: …But can be isolated, a little loner bit, but, uh, people-oriented.
Hettie: You get the metaphor.
Hettie: You can present the course as we will create it to you as a facilitator.
Jim: I love it. Go for it.
Hettie: You are ready to teach this.
Jim: Give us more description though.
Hettie: Yes. Um, when you step into a pine tree forest, you feel like you need to settle down, have a little picnic there…
Jim: It is calming.
Hettie: …And just breathe. And they do this to us. And this child will slow you down whether you want to be slowed down or not.
Jim: What does that look like? Give me an example.
Hettie: That is them forgetting that it’s Monday…
Hettie: …And not getting dressed for school. And you go, “How is this possible that you could have gotten distracted on your way to the cupboard?” But they can just be a little dreamy and are not in a hurry. Because to them, it’s not about getting stuff done, it’s about being, it’s the journey, it’s the people around them, it’s the impressions and the atmosphere. So they help us realize that it is about people and not about stuff. When we try and negotiate with them and put rewards on the table, you know, deal a little bit, they are immune to that because they’re so content. So if you tell them, “But I’ll buy you, you know, a new phone if you’ll just study harder and bring home better grades.”
Jim: Like, whatever.
Hettie: They’re like, “My phone is fine. I’m quite okay with the phone I have.”
Jim: Now, does that work in the opposite direction with discipline, if you say, “Listen, I’m not going to let you do any gaming, I’m not going to let you do certain things.” And they’ll go, “Okay.”
Jim: And they’ll just sit with it.
Hettie: They’re equally difficult to punish.
Jim: So now I’ve got a combo kid in my mind. I’ve got the palm tree/pine tree.
John: I know what you’re talking about.
Jim: I’ve got the palm/pine.
Hettie: Yes. But they do feel the pinch when you take away their relaxation and their comfort zone from them. So when you discipline by taking away the time with friends, the time in front of their screens, their computer games, they do – they do feel it. But remember, kids are not always going to say, “Ouch, yes, that hurts, I get the message.” They’re not going to let you know.
Jim: Well, this can also be a little bit, in the way I’m looking at it, a little bit of the rosebush challenge. Like, “Okay, I’m going to take social media away from you.” And then they go, “Fine, I’m up to that task. Take me on.”
Hettie: Yeah, the tougher…
Jim: And then they sit there…
Hettie: …Tougher skin.
Jim: …A year or two years later saying, “Hey, I don’t care. You took it away.” Is that kind of a rosebush attitude as well?
Hettie: That’s absolutely the rosebush response is “You can’t touch me. You think you can, but you can’t.”
Jim: How do you discipline the pine tree – the one that’s moving, you know, kind of through the world at their own pace, and they, for the 20th time, they haven’t been able to get dressed for school on time, and you’re ranting and raving? “What is your problem, Johnny? How come you cannot get ready for school? How many times have I got to tell you, at 7:30, to go get ready, and it’s 8 o’clock, and you’re still not ready? And mommy can’t keep doing this for you.” I think everybody’s getting the feeling.
Jim: It’s making me feel odd already.
Hettie: Yeah, that’s…
John: …Just now, yeah.
Jim: You feel it. How does mommy be more effective rather than coming back and saying get dressed and fight that battle?
Hettie: We need to understand that discipline only works – and punishment and reward only work in an area where a child willfully makes a certain decision not to do what you ask them. These kids don’t decide not to do it. They just forget. They just – it just doesn’t cross their mind. So we need to give them strategies.
Jim: So you, as the…
Hettie: So this is the child with the alarm clock.
Jim: Right, okay.
Hettie: This is the child with the chart. And – or – and this is the child with a big red bow around that particular item he never, you know, or she never, takes to school. So it’s about strategies and working with them.
Jim: You mentioned hybrids. And so…
Jim: …Again, one of the things, if you’re hearing us say, “Everybody is one thing or the other”, no, there’s all these combinations. It’s infinite how much, uh, percentage you work in…
Jim: …As a pine tree, as a – as a box tree, as a rosebush. You’re going to flow through all of these, I would think. You’re going to have some preset things at your default mode. But speak to the hybrids – palm/roses, box/palms, pine/palms, all that.
Jim: That’s got to be fun.
Hettie: …That’s a fun – sometimes, too, completely opposite trees come together like a rose, who is feisty and fast and a doer, and then you have the pine, who’s a thinker, and who is an introverted type of kid and more people-oriented. And when these two come together, you have what we call the CEO profile because you have a person who wants to get stuff done, but at the same time, doesn’t want anybody hurt. So this child will be not very talkative, maybe not very popular but a really good leader because they both know where we should be going and who should be going with us on that job. And it’s usually a boy. We don’t often see that doubly unemotional combination get together in a girl.
Jim: That’s fascinating.
Jim: Now, that could be risky saying that in modern culture…
Hettie: It can be.
Jim: …That boys and girls can’t be everything. But you’re saying, just generally, you see that attribute in boys more than girls.
Hettie: Yes, and…
Jim: What is it in girls that make them – probably the relational side is probably more…
Hettie: Probably the more emotional side. So you’ll…
Jim: …More wired for people.
Hettie: So you’ll see a lot of the girls who have the combination of the boxwood, who is perfectionistic and systematic and the outgoing palm tree. And when those two come together, you have a very, uh, intensely emotional kid who can ride the roller coaster, depends on which side of the bed they get up, you know, this morning. And they can be high maintenance for a pine tree parent, who wants peace and harmony, and this child is – is, you know, either high or very low.
John: And in the book, Hettie, you mentioned that some 60 percent of us have these combinations. And so if you’re intrigued, please get a copy of Growing Kids with Character: Nurturing Your Child’s Potential, Purpose, and Passion at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast.
Jim: Hettie, let me bounce off something John just mentioned – 60 percent of adults and children identify with more than one temperament. But you also say 7 to 10 percent of adults and children identify with three types.
Jim: I mean, I can – that’s where I’m at. I feel like I could…
Jim: …Be any of those three.
Hettie: Yeah, you are probably what we call a contra-pine, which means you have rose…
John: I’ve said that about…
Jim: What about…
John: …You for years.
Jim: I’m contraband. Contra-pine.
Hettie: Contra-pine because you have everything except pine.
Hettie: Um, you’re a boxwood, rose and palm tree rolled into one. So you can make those important decisions. You can make sure the people are, uh, onboard by motivating them. Oh, maybe you’re a contra-boxwood actually.
Jim: It could be.
Hettie: Yes, because…
Jim: I don’t think I’m a perfectionist.
Hettie: …Remember the details – no, no, no.
Hettie: No, you’re not. But you have some of the pine in there.
Hettie: That’s why family’s so important to you…
Hettie: …Because that’s what pines are about – my important people. So yes, you’re probably a contra-boxwood.
John: How much of this is, um, circumstantial? In other words, how often do the circumstances dictate what part of my personality comes out?
Hettie: I don’t believe the circumstances dictate it. But I do believe it reveals what is in that innate design. It depends on who you are with. If there’s already a rosebush in the house, then you might not show your rosebush side at home. Maybe your parents really discipline you to be more boxwood at home, and it doesn’t come out at school because you don’t need to show it there as much.
Jim: Right, so you can…
Hettie: And it depends on the parenting…
Jim: The environment’s going to, uh, probably intensify a certain response, but it’s already there.
Hettie: It’s already there.
Jim: That’s your point. And, again, I loved it – if you missed it, at the top of the program, we talked about that is one of the great takeaways I’ve heard today – is, just even in Scripture, you can see how the Lord dealt with the personalities around Him and effectively communicated and challenged them in a way that spoke to their heart. And that’s what we’re getting at when it comes to parents and children – how to identify what their basic combinations are and then speak to their heart in that way. And it’s great to see how the Lord did that. Who is the pine tree character in Scripture?
Hettie: Abraham is definitely one, so is Jesus’ mother, Mary. You know that Mary didn’t speak a lot. She kept things in her heart and thought about them and mulled them over. And she was never a doer. She was this facilitator.
Jim: Yeah, I could see that – the confidence she had that things were unfolding just as God designed them.
Jim: You can feel that in her character. That’s a good point.
Hettie: And we hear that when she hears God’s call on her life, she says, “Let it be with me as God wills.”
Hettie: “I’m your servant.” And that’s that willingness we see so beautifully in the pine. And Abraham is that pine, too. And we see the relationship. He has this close friendship with God. God shares His secrets with Abraham because of that gentle heart and that closeness in – in relationship.
Jim: Hettie, we’re down to the end here of a wonderful two-day program. So thank you…
Hettie: Thank you.
Jim: …For being with us. The, uh, question I want to ask you at the very end here is focusing on our primary mission as parents – and it really is to help grow our children into, uh, that growing relationship with Jesus Christ. Because He’s going to do that work in them. Our work will be imperfect, um, and sometimes counterproductive to what the Holy Spirit is aiming to do. And we get that because we don’t have a clear view all the time. And that’s just part of being human. But how can we shepherd and guide those four types in their relationship with God in a – in an effective way? Just run through those four types.
Hettie: When we know our rosebush is wired to lead, we need to make sure that they are subjected to God’s authority, and they practice on us. So we should not apologize for being the parent because we want them to submit to God one day as they lead and also to have empathy to listen to others. And that is where our energy will go. Otherwise, we will have dictators instead of godly leaders…
Jim: Yeah, that’s the rosebush.
Hettie: …In our rosebushes. Exactly.
Jim: How about the palm?
Hettie: The palm tree is going to take people with them wherever they are going. So we need to make sure that they are leading to a place worth going.
Jim: Oh, that’s good.
Hettie: So morally is where we’re going to be doing our work and not always through preaching but a lot through prayer. They learn from experience. And we’re often going to stand by and see how they go off like a prodigal son sometimes, hit their head against the wall, come back. It’s not always easy in the later years because they don’t always think ahead. But we can do a lot of prayer and have beautiful hearts and a beautiful ability to inspire.
Jim: And like you said…
Hettie: And you’re going to pray that that’ll go in the right direction.
Jim: Right. And as you said, stay in relationship with all your kids types obviously, but that one particularly.
Hettie: Yes, keep their hearts close.
Jim: So boxwood?
Hettie: The boxwood child is a child who’s going to be the one to make sure we all stay on the straight and narrow.
Hettie: And that’s going to be uncomfortable for us every now and again because they will point out our hypocrisy for us…
Jim: Especially for moms and dads.
Hettie: …And when we are not fair. Yes, for sure. Um, but we’re going to teach them God’s grace. We’re going to teach them that God decided that the season of the law will be over one day and that grace will rule. And when they can embrace that, together with their love of justice, they may make a beautiful difference in the world.
Jim: That’s fantastic. And then finally, the pine tree – how to move them toward God in a closer way. How do we do that as a parent?
Hettie: We do that through a focus on relationship because they go where relationships is important. And they will be allergic to religion, they will be allergic to falsehood, so we will walk with them in reality and in authenticity. And they will be the ones who facilitate peace, harmony and keep the body of Christ together. That’s what they do.
John: If you’ve been listening for the past few minutes or the past couple of days, it’s pretty obvious why this 2-day conversation with Hettie Brittz became one of our Best of 2018 Focus on the Family broadcasts for the year.
Jim: And John, I really appreciate Hettie’s insight and expertise. And I hope everybody would get a copy of her book, Growing Kids with Character. These are issues that have been on my heart. Jean and I, you know, we lay our heads on the pillow at night and we’re saying, “Okay have we done everything we need to do, and what more do we need to do with the boys in helping them launch well?” This program really highlights why we’re here at Focus on the Family – to help you do a better job as a parent, to equip you with the tools you need to raise godly, thriving kids. That’s our goal. Plain and simple. And I’m so grateful for Hettie and the many other parenting experts we’ve had on this broadcast. How we can work together to shape our children in a way that they will serve the Lord and ultimately help build the body of Christ for the next generation.
John: And we have seen some tremendous results, Jim. The research shows nearly 700,000 moms and dads have told us, “Focus on the Family helped us build stronger, healthier, more God-honoring families in this past year.”
Jim: And we’re so thankful to God for that wonderful legacy, but there’s a lot more work to do. And I hope we can count on your prayer support and financial support to help us reach even more families in 2019. If you can send us a financial gift of any amount, we’ll send you a copy of Hettie’s book. That’s our way of saying thanks for helping us equip parents like we’ve done today. And right now, we have a matching gift opportunity thanks to the generosity of some friends to Focus. So any gift you give will be doubled. And remember, that includes things like stocks and bonds and mutual funds. Anything you give will further the mission, help more families in Christ. So please be generous with your support of Focus on the Family today.
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Coming up next time on this broadcast, understanding the risk and harm that infidelity can do to your marriage.
Dave Carder: You will move into a phase where you will begin to feed the relationship and you’ll rob the marriage. Feed the friendship – rob the marriage.
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John: On behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team, thanks for listening to Focus on the Family. I’m John Fuller inviting you back as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.