Chris Marlow: God uses everyday normal people to make the biggest difference in the world. It’s not the superstars. It’s not the heroes. It’s not the ultra-wealthy. It’s the everyday normal people who are – and it’s the story of the Good Samaritan. He’s just walking to work one day, and God gives him an opportunity to make a difference. And he says yes to that opportunity. So, I think our job is to say, OK, God, what opportunities, big and small, every day, but throughout our lives, can we say yes to that would make a difference?
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John Fuller: That’s Chris Marlow. And he believes that doing good for someone in need is simple. You can’t fix the world’s problems, but you can do good right where you are. That’s his message, and he joins us today on “Focus on the Family.” Your host is Focus president and author Jim Daly, and I’m John Fuller.
Jim Daly: John, this really is a simple message. And we get it, as Christians, I hope, um, although we struggle with execution. Uh, but this is what the Bible says – love your neighbor, serve one another, do for others what you would have them do for you. That’s straight out of Scripture. And there’s many others that point us to that kind of service-mindedness.
We understand what God wants us to do. But how do we put that love and service into practice every day, not just on Sunday, when we might feel the nudge to do that? For example, what’s the best way to help that homeless person standing on the corner? I mean, how many times – I’ve driven by because I don’t know. I don’t have any change in my pocket. And I don’t have any of the kits that a lot of people put together. Jean, my wife, has done that where it’s a toothpaste, toothbrush and some stuff to just do some basic hygiene things. But – and those are all good ways to help somebody out in a moment.
What about the more than 100,000 legal orphans in the foster care system? This is something at Focus we’ve been doing for 10 years. I’m thankful to say more than 3,500 families have started the adoption process…
Jim: …And we’re still working with other families now to do foster care and wraparound care. And I’m really proud of you, the Christian community, who are stepping up in the gap for so many kids. But we have a long ways to go – 100,000.
But these problems seem so overwhelming, and we get that. We can’t even comprehend, uh, the vastness of the need, let alone come up with workable solutions. But sometimes, to be honest, it’s easier to look away than just do a part. And that’s what we’re going to talk about today is just doing something good where you’re at in the name of Christ.
John: And Chris Marlow is a former pastor and church planter who founded the organization Help One Now. And…
Jim: I love that name.
John: …It’s a ministry that helps local leaders care for orphans and vulnerable families and works to break the cycle of extreme poverty in places like Haiti, Peru and Africa. Chris has written a book, and, uh, we’ll hear more about that as we go along today. It’s called Doing Good Is Simple: Making A Difference Right Where You Are.
Jim: Chris, welcome to “Focus on the Family.”
Chris: Oh, so glad to be here with y’all here today. And I’m really thankful for what you all are doing to make a difference in the world. And you’re setting the example of what it means to do hard work but make it simple for those who want to get engaged and make a difference in their lives.
Jim: Let’s start there. Um, why is it so complex? Why do we lean to comfort and leisure… ?
Jim: …Rather than actually doing what God’s saying to do…
Jim: …Over and over again?
Chris: You know, it’s so fascinating. Like, I think as – you know, coming from a pastor in a theological background, we all kind of know doing good is like a call that we have in our lives, right? Like, we follow the life of Jesus. We follow the disciples, who become the Apostles, who plant churches. Like, doing good is just part of basic biblical Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.
But yet, you said it earlier, to execute that is more complicated. And here’s one of the things I’ve realized — we have a plan for a lot of things in life – finances, our vocation – but sometimes we actually don’t have a plan of families and as disciples of how we’re going to make a difference in the world. And so – and the big reality is it can be complicated. You know, I’ve talked about three obstacles. It’s complicated. There are so many different things to get involved in. And then you feel like, can I really make a difference? And so, the reason we started Help One Now was to try and make the complicated as simple as possible. How can one help one in the world? That’s it.
Jim: When you caught this revelation, uh, you were on a trip to Zimbabwe, a missions trip. Describe that. Because, you know, I’ve been on missions trips with my family. It’s a normal thing that many Christian families will do.
Jim: Why did that experience catch your attention, and how did it change your perspective?
Chris: Yeah, 2007 Zimbabwe was the moment my life was forever interrupted. Um, and I realize now that God wants to interrupt our lives (Laughter) so we can live the greatest possible lives. Back then, I didn’t really want this. But, um, it took me five years, and I was ignoring God’s voice to go to Zimbabwe and to really tangibly care for the poor. I had a friend who kept inviting me. Um, so finally after ignoring God and being disobedient, really, to the voice of God, I said yes.
And long, long story short, after a 20-hour travel day, um, we met with our pastor, a guy named John Chinyowa, and we’re driving through Zimbabwe middle of the night. And he asked a quick question. He says, “Chris, do you mind if we stop at a gas station? I want to check on these kids.” And, of course, growing up where I grew up, I’m like, Johnny, you don’t stop at gas station at 4 a.m. in the morning. This seems like a terrible idea.
Jim: (Laughter) Yeah, right.
Chris: He’s like, no, but I need to check on these kids. And so, of course, we did. And I remember driving up to this gas station in downtown Harare. Um, and what I saw was absolutely shocking. It was about 80 kids, um, all between three and eight years old…
Jim: Oh, my.
Chris: …And they were sleeping on the asphalt floor in the middle of the night. And I remember, um, we had a van full of food and water and – and gas because the country had none of that.
And so, as we get out of the van, we’re immediately surrounded by all these kids. And kind of the pack leader of these kids grabbed me by the arm and squeezed it really tight and pulled me down low. And he made eye contact. And he said these words to me – he said, um – he said, um, “Sir, thank you so much for visiting our country. I’m so sorry it’s in the shape that it’s in. We don’t want to beg you for food but is there anything we can do to work for you so we can get something to eat.” And I looked at that young 8-year-old boy in the eye, and I told him no. Um, and we got back in the van, and we drove off. And I realized why God, for five years, wanted me to go to Zimbabwe – because there are kids all over the world who need our help. And when we say yes to doing good, we’re basically saying yes to helping kids like that 8-year-old boy in the gas station. And thankfully, because God’s loving and graceful, saying no to the 8-year-old kid has helped us say yes to thousands of other kids around the world.
John: So, Chris, how long did you carry that feeling? I mean, there’s a feeling that accompanied the no as you drove off. What was that, and how long did you carry that around?
Chris: Yeah, it was anger in my own heart that God wanted me to do something good, and I ignored God. And so just knowing, like, why do I not listen to God? He always has a better plan for me. I had to deal with that. I had to repent. I really had to go back to God. And God’s beautiful and thankful and graceful. But I had to repent for ignoring that.
Um, but I still carry the burden. I still carry, um – you know, every six seconds a child dies in the world because they don’t have access to food or water, um, and it’s just not right. And the church – um, there’s so much beauty and resources and – and power in the church to make a difference and to wipe some of these figures off the face of the Earth. But we just have to say yes to doing good, to loving our neighbor, to living a more generous life.
Jim: Chris, why did you have to say no that night? Why couldn’t you have unloaded the truck right there and said, OK, our mission was complete?
Chris: Yeah. So – um, one, I was just overwhelmed, right? I didn’t – I had never seen that much suffering, that immediate. Um, and two, the next day, we met 33 kids, who are the kids that are still in our programs around the world now, in Zimbabwe. And those resources were allocated for those kids. And it gave them three weeks’ worth of supplies to live.
Chris: Food, batteries…
Jim: So, you didn’t have enough for everybody…
Jim: …Was the issue.
Chris: We literally didn’t, you know, we didn’t have enough to go around. But, you know, a part of me – and it’s so complicated. I wish I would have pulled out a candy bar. I guarantee I had a candy bar…
Jim: Right, just something.
Chris: …In the back. But ultimately, it was even greater than that. It wasn’t saying no to that specific kid. It was saying no for five years to what God wanted me to do…
Chris: …To help kids like him all over the world.
Chris: But then, as I begin to study extreme poverty, I began to realize there’s 150 million orphans in the world. And I remember being paralyzed by that thought.
Chris: Like, oh, my gosh.
Jim: Think of that.
Chris: How am I going to help 150 million orphans? And so, we began to – I did a yearlong research program. And I began to realize, like, first of all, we just have to get started, right? We can’t allow our being overwhelmed to allow us not to do something. So, I just said, OK, God, if you can just give me enough faith to take one step, one step forward, how can I care for these 33 orphans in Zimbabwe?
Um, and then what I realized – I began to have conversation after conversation after conversation with my friends in Austin at the time, who were – who loved God and wanted to make a difference, but they just didn’t know how. And so, we wanted to do our best to help people find simple ways to make a difference in the world and not be paralyzed by the largeness of all the issues.
Jim: Chris, in your ministry Help One Now…
Jim: …Orphans is a big part of that…
Jim: …What you just described. Can people get this idea of, um, the fatigue of compassion?
Jim: And why does that happen? And then why – how should we fight it as Christians? How should we resist that fatigue?
Chris: Yeah, I think fatigue – compassion fatigue is huge. I experience compassion fatigue, right? And I do this as a vocation. And so, I think one is just being – you know, we have to give ourselves grace. We’re not perfect people. But I think the compassion fatigue is typically when we begin to focus on things that don’t matter as much to God. And I think that’s when we begin to experience compassion fatigue.
Chris: And God has to realign us, right? Like, serving our neighbors, loving on people, caring for the orphan or the widow, um, those are things that bring life and joy to God. And they bring life and joy to us as well. So typically, when I experience compassion fatigue, I know I’m probably not aligned very well I need to realign my own priorities, um, in life. And it’s a – it’s kind of a check box where I need to say, OK, God, what am I doing wrong? Because serving someone else should bring hope and joy and peace and life. But also, we’re humans. And so oftentimes, we need to do what Jesus did.
We need to get away from it and find our boat and find our silent place and reconnect with God so we can reengage back with some of the hard things in the world. And so…
Chris: And also, here’s what we’ve realized – compassion fatigue happens when you’re not committed to the long journey. And so, we’re seeing the greatest hope 10 years after starting Help One Now — because it’s not a mission trip, it’s not a check box of, like, I’m going to sponsor a kid and kind of do my thing. These are real friends who matter to us deeply. And so now they’ve become part of our natural community. And it’s hard to get fatigued when you actually know the stories…
Chris: …And you experience them year after year after year. So that’s why one of the ways to make the biggest difference is to find long-term partners that you can literally experience life and do joy with, so it’s not just a project where you check it off and move on. But it’s a relationship where you want to go deeper and deeper.
Jim: Chris, oftentimes people’s passions come out of their pain. Why do you care about the orphan? Why do you care about, um, children who struggle in this world?
Chris: You know, I didn’t – it took me a long while to connect this. But, um, like many people, I grew up fatherless, in a broken home. Um, my mother had been married four times by the time I was eight.
Chris: Um, my dad was in my life till about uh, 3-year-old, and then he disappeared. And then when I was eight, he just showed up out of nowhere and reentered my life for two or three years, and then he left again, and…
Chris: …We’ve never heard from him since.
Chris: And this is why I love the local church. Like, going through that brokenness, um, you know, you just have to be resilient, right? You have to either find the way to create hope, or your life’s going to be destroyed, and you’re going to be on a – on a negative pathway. So, what I loved about the moment is the local church entered my life out of nowhere. And it was everyday normal people who really made a big difference. I’ve talked about it in the book. It was a plumber. It was a small youth pastor.
Jim: What did they do that made a difference?
Chris: They cared. You know, they didn’t…
Chris: …Stop being so busy. And they said, you know what? There’s opportunity right in front of me that I can make a difference. Let’s just care. Let’s take time out of our busy schedules, let’s be deliberate, let’s actually slow down and listen to the Holy Spirit. I think – you know, and this was – that was the late-’90s. Now, life’s so busy. There’s so much going on. It’s oftentimes we forget the small voice of the Holy Spirit saying slow down, I have work for you to do, and you’re on my schedule, not your schedule.
John: And so often, that work is right in front of us, as was the case for the people around you. What would have happened, Chris, if, um, those folks wouldn’t have – would not have intervened? What do you think your life would have – would have done?
Chris: I have no words. I can’t – I mean, literally, like, I can’t imagine where I would be without a plumber, a small-town youth pastor and a teacher, a fourth-grade teacher. I was homeless.
Jim: Yeah, I love the teachers.
Chris: And she said, hey, you’re going to come live with me. And so, she took me in informally into our family and for a year and a half, just began to care for me. And she was a teacher. And her own marriage was struggling with alcoholism from her husband. And so even in the midst of her own problems, she found the way and the strength of God to reach out to me and to help surround me with people who cared. Um…
John: Well, you were also in trouble with the law. I mean, you had a lot of…
John: …Uh, hard things going on, right?
Chris: There was a lot. I grew up with, um – all my siblings were basically drug dealers. All of them are in jail or no longer alive, um, grew up in Northern California in just a very rough neighborhood.
Um, and so those moments, like, helped me to remember the importance of doing good – that that God uses everyday normal people to make the biggest difference in the world. It’s not the superstars. It’s not the heroes. It’s not the ultra-wealthy. It’s the everyday normal people who are – and it’s the story of the Good Samaritan. He’s just walking to work one day, and God gives him an opportunity to make a difference. And he says yes to that opportunity. So, I think our job is to say, OK, God, what opportunities, big and small, every day, but throughout our lives can we say yes to and that would make a difference?
Jim: And, Chris, in that regard, “Doing Something Simple,” the title of your book…
Jim: …Um, how do you do that? So, you’re walking to work one day. I mean…
Jim: …How do you keep your eyes wide open, saying God, what is it I could do today? And then how do you not rationalize, oh, Lord, that’s a little too much of a request? You know, I’ve got a to-do list today…
Jim: …That’s pretty strong, as well. I mean, seriously…
Jim: …Those are just fair questions. I mean…
Jim: …That need can overwhelm your capacity. And how do you keep that all in balance and still feel good when you put your head on the pillow at night that you did something for the Lord today?
Chris: And I think this is where soul care comes in, right? Like, we can’t change the whole world. We can’t solve every problem. We can’t say yes, every time. We’re just not perfect, right? And so, a little bit of it is being intentional. Typically, when we do well in life is when we’re intentional. When we’re – when we get healthy, it’s because we’re intentionally eating and working out. When we’re involved in our local church and growing spiritually, it’s because we are intentional about going to church and being involved in a community.
Doing good’s the same way – we have to find ways to be intentional. And I talk about this in the book all throughout – how to partner well. One of the ways is you have to start somewhere. Um, you can’t change the whole world, but you can have a few focus points. And so, one of the things that I would encourage people to do is, um, three things.
One, get involved in the local church. That’s the biggest power in the world is the local church. Two, find a local organization that you care about. It’s right in your neighborhood. It’s – you can show up and get to know the people and be a part of the story. And three, find one international ministry that you really are passionate about and find ways to love, serve and care for those people, especially long-term. Because the longer you’re a part of the story, the more progress and transformation you see. And so then doing good not only transforms other people’s lives around the world, but then it transforms your whole life, and it becomes a joy to give back and to do good. Because ultimately, we can’t say yes to everything, and we can’t solve all the world’s problems. But if we all take one or two or three things that we do, we know the world will become better.
John: Well, you’re listening to “Focus on the Family” with Jim Daly. Our guest today is Chris Marlow. And his book is Doing Good Is Simple: Making A Difference Right Where You Are. It’s got a lot of the passion and the practicality that you’re hearing today from Chris. And I’ll encourage you to get a copy at focusonthefamily.com/radio, or call us – 800, the letter A and the word FAMILY.
Jim: Chris, I want to hit on some practical approaches to helping the poor and needy. You listed some great ideas in your book, Doing Good Is Simple. Let’s start with number one: You say do something rather than nothing.
Chris: Yeah, absolutely. (Laughter) So instead of being paralyzed, it is so important, if you look at all the issues in the world, just start somewhere. And don’t do it alone. Start with the community.
Um, that is – you know, whether it’s your small group or your family, you know, neighbors, like, get others involved so you feel like you’re doing it in a community. So, start – um, do something rather than nothing.
Chris: Two, start small. It is so – and this is why the concept of the book is when we get overwhelmed by anything, we typically stop doing it.
Jim: That’s true, like exercise.
Chris: Yeah. (Laughter).
John: Like the to-do list.
Jim: Man, I gotta lose weight! (Laughing)
Chris: I know we’re, like, in March, and our whole goals are already destroyed because, like, we get overwhelmed by the chaos…
Chris: …Of life. Um, so start small. Um, I think this is really important – you have a passion in your life. Everyone listening to this show, you have a passion, something that keeps you up, something that drives you. It’s your passion. No one else can have it. We may have like-minded passions. Um, you know, for my daughter, her passion’s anti-trafficking in Thailand. For my other daughter, it’s doing justice work through the arts. And so how do they both use their passions to make a difference in the world?
Chris: Um, we have teachers going around the world training teachers, business folks training business folks. So instead of doing traditional mission trips, they’re doing trips based on their passion. And so, find your passions. Um, and I think that those are – obviously, you have gifts. We call those the impact matrix, right? God’s given you gifts.
Um, a talent is something you earn. A gift is something you were born with. And so, we each have a gift in our lives. And if we use those gifts to do good, it will bring glory to God, and we’ll see transformation.
John: Yeah, Chris, you shepherded that gift in your kids. Uh, one of your daughters started a lemonade stand.
Jim: Yeah, right.
John: That really illustrates…
John: …What you’ve talked about thus far – start small, do something. Tell us about the lemonade stand.
Chris: Yes. It was [an] Austin summer day, which meant it was 180 degrees, or it felt like that.
Chris: We’d ate, like, four breakfast tacos that morning (Laughter) because that’s what you do when in Austin. And, I had these 33 orphans that I was trying to figure out how to care for. When I left Zimbabwe, they had two weeks’ worth of food. So, the pressure was like, whoa. Pastor John, that’s trying to care for these kids, what can we do? So, we went back to our friends and our family. And we began to say, what are some small steps we can do to make a difference? Our daughters were seven and five at the time.
And so, one morning, there was a bunch of construction going on in our neighborhood. They were building new houses. And so, they just put together this lemonade stand. And they just wrote on this board – chalkboard – um, you know, all the food is going to care for orphans in Zimbabwe. And I remember this of the construction workers – they would come, and they would drop a $20 bill to get a glass of – you know, to get a cup of lemonade.
Chris: And it showed me, back then, that everybody, no matter where you’re at, people really want to make a difference in the world…
Chris: …Whether it’s a seven or 5-year-old kid or whether it’s a 35-year-old construction worker. It was an example of what people want to do.
Jim: Without a doubt. Chris, let me ask you – the stories are great and, uh, what the Lord is doing through your ministry Help One Now. Uh, one story in particular, in your book, how a small loan helped a family living in poverty start a chicken business.
Jim: (Laughing) You know, you’re thinking chickens, OK.
Jim: But describe that opportunity and how it changed their life in ways you never even expected.
Chris: Oh, this is, um – I’m gonna try not to cry because it’s, um – it’s – ultimately, as humans, we’re all kind of the same, right? We all kind of want the same things in life.
Chris: We want a home. We want safety. We want our kids go to school. Uh, we want purpose. We want opportunity. And so, in Zimbabwe, this is like – you know, we’re five years into our story of Zimbabwe. Thirty-three kids have become more of a, you know, a built-out program by then. And our local pastor there says, hey, we need to start helping families thrive and flourish. The way for us to end the orphan care issue is to prevent it altogether and help families stay together and have opportunity. And so, we begin to give these small microloans.
Um, and so we gave – it was a $300 microloan to a family in Zimbabwe. Um, he actually worked for the government part time. And then they started up a side business with his wife and himself. Um, and I remember it was a Wednesday evening, and we’re at his house, and we’re going through the books. And he’s basically showing me how much more money they earned – about 400 percent more in eight months their earning than before the business started. And they were just – they were in tears, and they were so thankful.
And I asked them this question – and I go, how does that make you feel? And I was expecting some amazing response of, like, future or college or – and he says, well, I’m very excited because every Thursday at the market, I get to take my little boy to go get an ice cream cone. (Laughter) And, like, he had tears roll down his eyes. And I had tears roll down my eyes. And it was this moment of, like, it was a father in Zimbabwe created in God’s image who was just trying to find a way to build his dreams for his family and take his son to get an ice cream. And often, when we’re talking about doing good is simple, those are the stories – we’re trying – we’re trying to help dads and moms thrive and flourish and be able to take their kids to get an ice cream cone. And it took $300 to make that happen.
Jim: That’s amazing! I – I – and the joy – that’s the thing – joy. When people look at the goodness in this life, those are the characteristics that…
Jim: …Do flow from God…
Jim: …Not the other guy. And joy, that kind of…
Jim: …Universal joy, that’s something from the heart of God, in my opinion.
Chris: And I think that’s the spiritual formation. When we give back, God gives to us. And it reveals to us, one, why we exist as humans…
Chris: …But, two, our purpose in life – that we can help others flourish, and they can also help us flourish. And it becomes this community of people who are helping each other, you know, solve all of life issues together.
Chris: And it’s an amazing joy. And that’s how you overcome compassion fatigue. It’s such a joy to be a part of it, but you’re also not taking on too much.
Chris: I’m not trying to solve the whole world’s issues. I have a very focused plan, and I’m trying to lean in every day to solve these key issues that we’re focused on.
Jim: And let’s reinforce it with this last question, because I think you’re hitting on it, and that is addressing those worldwide problems, like poverty and orphan care or disease. It can be overwhelming.
Jim: I mean, it’s like – it’s such a big elephant. I don’t know where to take the first bite, right?
Jim: But ultimately, that’s not our job, it’s God’s job.
Jim: And that’s the bottom line. Talk about that responsibility and role that God has…
Jim: And then what he’s given each of us to do – just very clearly, right at the end, kind of summarizing…
Chris: Here’s what I would say, if you believe in sovereignty, God’s in control. He knew everything was going to happen before time. And our job is to be obedient to God. I call it the impact matrix. You have passions, talents, resources, um, and networks. How do we leverage those four things to do good in the world? And it should be through the day to day rhythms of our life. It doesn’t mean you have to move to another country or you have to take a mission trip every three months. It’s literally – you’re going to make the biggest difference by saying yes to God as you move out the day to day activities of life and listening to the Holy Spirit. But also realizing that it’s God’s power, not our power, that’s going to make the difference. And God just wants to use us to show his power of love and grace and resurrection to the world.
Jim: Yeah. That is so good, Chris. And your book, Doing Good Is Simple is true (laughter). I mean, we just got to do it.
Chris: I hope so (laughter).
Jim: And that’s the whole point – but what a great reminder for all of us. As Christians, we want to serve others and share God’s love in effective ways. And what that means is you’re sharing God’s love, and people are coming to Christ because they are attracted to it.
Jim: Uh, but we don’t always know where to start. And people get overwhelmed. And you’ve given us some great ideas about how to do that today. You know, here at Focus, we’ve talked about the Wait No More initiative, the foster adoption…
Jim: …Initiative called Wait No More and – and what we’re trying to do there. Uh, that’s something people can support. Um, what you’re doing, Chris, with, uh, Help One Now, that’s something people can support. There’s lots of ways to do this. And, uh, of course, for us, we would love to see those 100,000 foster orphans – because legal rights for the parents have been terminated – we would love to see them adopted into loving, Christian homes. That’s our goal.
Jim: Um, I don’t think we’re going to get there tomorrow. We’ve had maybe six, 7,000 of those kids adopted at this point…
Chris: That’s amazing.
Jim: …But we’ve got a long way to go. And I’m in for the long haul. And I’m looking forward to that headline maybe in the New York Times someday that says Christian church…
Jim: …Wipes out waiting foster adoption list. Wouldn’t that change the image of the Gospel in this country?
Chris: Well, the beauty of it.
Jim: And, uh, Chris, I so appreciate what you’re doing. Thank you for what you’re doing. Thank you for teaching us, uh, what it is to do good. And, uh, you’re doing it, and I appreciate it.
If you want a copy of this book, and I hope you do – I hope you say, yes, I want to do something good, and I need it to be simple – this is it – Doing Good Is Simple: Making A Difference Right Where You Are. Uh, call us and get a copy today.
John: Our number is 800-232-6459. 800, the letter A and the word FAMILY. And you can also get the book, and a CD or download of our broadcast at focusonthefamily.com/radio.
By the way, when you’re at the website be sure to look for details about our Wait No More program so you can learn about becoming a foster parent or even an adoptive parent for a child in the foster care system.
Jim: Hey, let me also invite you to do good by joining us in strengthening families today. Here at Focus on the Family we count on your financial support to help us encourage married couples, train moms and dads to be better parents. Protect pre-born babies and rescue orphans like we’ve heard about today.
Here’s how you can get involved: This summer, thanks to the generosity of some wonderful friends, we have a matching gift opportunity where any donation you make today with be doubled! That means your gift of $20 becomes $40, $50 becomes a hundred, and so on. So, if we haven’t heard from you in a while, or if you’ve never donated to Focus on the Family, we need to hear from you. Please be generous with your support today, and let it double the impact you will have.
John: Make that contribution today at focusonthefamily.com/radio or when you call 800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY. 800-232-6459.
And this reminder, when you make a donation of any amount to Focus on the Family, we’ll send a complimentary copy of Chris Marlow’s book, Doing Good is Simple. That’s our way of saying thanks for your partnership with us.
Well, next time you’ll understand the spiritual foundations of our country as we approach Independence Day. We’re gonna be hearing from Pastor Andy Stanley.
Pastor Andy Stanley: If our right to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is tied to Creator God, and we remove Creator God from the dialogue and the conversation, then what is the basis in the future for your pursuit, and your freedom to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
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