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Elective Abortion During the Coronavirus

Elective Abortion During the Coronavirus

Drs. David Hager and Bill Lile provide a pro-life perspective on the growing national controversy about whether abortion should be considered essential healthcare during the coronavirus crisis.
Original Air Date: April 1, 2020

Jim Daly: Hi, I’m Jim Daly. On today’s Focus on the Family, we’re going to address the topic of abortion especially as it relates to our present challenges with the coronavirus. John Fuller is here with me, but not in the same studio. John, you have me?

John Fuller: We’re practicing our social distancing.

Jim: (Laughter) That’s good. John, this topic reminds me of the ancient wisdom found in the Old Testament book of Psalms where King David wrote about evil men saying, quote, “You love evil more than good and lying more than speaking what is right.” That’s right out of Psalm 52:3. The reason these words are so relevant is because of the double-standard we have today with abortion. For some reason, in many states across this nation the rules simply don’t apply when it comes to abortion even when we’re facing this pandemic. As a result, we’re not only killing precious babies, but we’re also harming women and putting our communities at greater risk because of political and I believe financial agendas. And that’s simply unconscionable and that’s why we’re talking about this today on Focus on the Family.

John: Yeah, we’ve always been pro-life as an organization and we often address pro-life issues, but, uh, today’s circumstances with the pandemic, Jim, make this all the more timely for us to cover.

Jim: It does. And let me remind folks that, uh, we had planned for our ALIVE 2020 event to be on May 9th. Obviously, we’ve had to move that. We’re going to aim that for some time in the Fall, perhaps September. So, just keep your eye on that. We’re going to continue to build toward that event and we want to host that event in the five cities that we have talked about. So, just stay tuned. We’re going to keep pressing ahead to accomplish that. But know for sure that we are steadfast in our beliefs that all human life is created by God and designed in His image. Again, just like Genesis talks about. Therefore, for the elderly, for those with special needs, the pre-born, you are valuable. You’re made in God’s image. We believe in that and we are gonna fight for you.

John: And our guests today totally agree with that. We have two medical doctors with us by phone. Dr. David Hager who has been working as an OBGYN since 1978 and currently serves with the Baptist Health Medical Group in Lexington, Kentucky. Dr. Hager has been advising Focus on medical issues since 1994. He’s a member of our Physicians Resource Counsel. And we also have Dr. Bill Lile with us who is a very buy OBGYN. He’s delivered more than 4,000 babies and he proudly promotes his pro-life values at his website prolifedoc.org. And we’re really honored to have these two men with their convictions and their expertise joining us today.

Jim: David and Bill, welcome to Focus on the Family.

Dr. David Hager: Thank you so much for having us

Dr. Bill Lile: Thank you very much.

Jim: Well, gentleman, before we get into specifics on this issue of abortion and the states and how each state is applying this and the federal judges that are getting involved, first, if I can ask, how are you doing? What’s happening in the medical profession when it comes to this coronavirus? What are your days like? Paint a picture for us, Bill.

Dr. Lile: Well, I went in on call on Friday morning and I didn’t leave the hospital until Monday around noon. We are holding our own. We are busy. We’re not as busy here in Florida as they are up in New York. We’re working with, uh, the health departments. We get updates every 12 hours from our health departments. But we’re holding our own. And this is what we trained for and I think the health community is just shining through.

Jim: Right. David, how are you doing?

Dr. Hager: Well, we’re doing well. There’s an awful lot of stress on the medical community and I really want to honor our first responders, uh, who’ve – who are really on the front lines. But, uh, we’re doing everything we can to limit visitation in the hospital. We’ve shut down our out-patient surgery center and only running our main operating room. We don’t allow visitors to come into the hospital. They – they wait outside and then we inform them of surgical outcomes and so forth. So, it’s really a new day adjustment for us. Um, and in the state of Kentucky we’re over 300 case now and we’ve had 10 deaths.

Jim: Mm. Well, that’s the toll that medical professionals are enduring and, of course, the nation – many of us are sheltered-in-place, et cetera. Um, you mention the prioritization, Dr. Hager. Let’s get into that a little bit because it kind of sets premise for the broadcast today. The idea of emergent care, urgent care, and elective care. Give us a more definition on how the medical professions, right now – how you guys are looking at these cases and deciding what needs to happen and what doesn’t happen. Specifically related to women.

Dr. Hager: Um, we’re designed to – to work as Bill will testify. We’re designed to go. We’re designed to do. We’re designed to and committed to try to save lives and to intervene. But now we’re being told, for example, that all elective surgery is canceled. And so, the division is in to emergent which is an immediate threat of loss of life, limb, organ, or permanent disability. That would be a ruptured appendix with peritonitis, a bowel obstruction not responding to medical management, an aneurysm about to rupture. Urgent is a threat to loss of life, limb, organ, or permanent disability, and/or a necessity for progression of treatment for life, limb, organ, or disability within 30 days. So, we’re saying that if something isn’t done fairly soon then we’re going to have a major problem. Those would be most of our malignancies that require immediate treatment, obstetric procedures, persistent bleeding and so forth. And an elective is where treatment is necessary but may be delayed for at least 30 days or if the surgery may be remediated by medical therapy. And so, many, many, elective procedures are being canceled. And I have to do that as the Chief of Service for our outpatient service. And the – the physicians by and large have been very understanding and very cooperative and not wanting to bring patients into potential contamination and infection.

Jim: No and that – I appreciate that clarification because again in the debate – the national debate or discussion about who is receiving care – that helps clarify how that’s done. Bill, let me ask you, the national debate if I can go that – the eruption over whether abortion should be considered essential healthcare or not. Certain states, Texas, Ohio, and three or four others, have made that decision to postpone what they are describing as elective surgery with abortion. I think a federal judge just the other day now has stepped in to, uh, to say, “No. These states have to continue to provide abortion.” I think in my – in my assessment this shows the glaring contradiction where you have doctors, you, saving life, helping a mother who has a stressed pregnancy, helping to save that baby’s life. And then these governors who are pressing ahead and these federal judges who are saying, “No. Taking life through abortion is necessary right now.” It seems like such a glaring contradiction, Bill.

Dr. Lile: Several governors have stepped in and said, “You know what? We’re canceling certain cancer surgery.” I have a good friend up in Nashville who just got diagnosed with prostate cancer and they have said, “Hey, maybe sometime in May.” So, now he’s dealing with knowing that he has prostate cancer, but he can’t get his surgery for another four to six weeks. But judges have overruled the governors. You know, just yesterday, Texas, Ohio, Alabama, put one to two week pauses on what the governors said was the right thing to do. No. 1 it’s not medically necessary to take the life of a baby. They are using, uh, personal protective equipment. They are using the facilities and they’re exposing their patients and their staff to possibly COVID-19. So, from a healthcare standpoint, it’s all about patient care. Are the pre-born a patient? Yes, they are.

Jim: Doctor Hager in that regard – I mean, painting that picture for us, where these abortion clinics remaining open, to Doctor Liles point, they’re coming in, they’re sitting in these waiting rooms, not managing that social distancing that’s required right now. Speak to that environment.

Dr. Hager: Yeah, well you’re exactly right. There is not social distancing. Patients are flocking in, um, Louisville, for example, here in Kentucky, there have been 385 abortions done in March. And there have been 10 COVID-19 deaths in the state of Kentucky. So, multiply that. The – the procedure forever has been called elective abortion. That’s the term that is used by abortionists, “We’re doing elective abortions.” Indicated abortion when the mother’s life is at stake which is – is rare. So, by definition it’s an elective procedure where there’s at least one death, as Bill has said, for every surgical procedure that’s done. They American College calls, uh, it an “essential component of comprehensive healthcare” and says, “a delay may make it inaccessible.” I – I’d kind of turn that around and I would say, “It is a comprehensive component of an elective procedure because a child’s life is lost every time an abortion is done.”

Jim: Well, that’s the point. And I think from your perspective – both of you, and Bill, I’ll ask you to go first – why do you think the abortion advocates are fighting so hard to keep abortions going through this pandemic? Is there not any, uh, ray of hope in them to say, “Okay, you know what? Right now, we should suspend this for the benefit of the broader culture, the broader society.” So your friend can get his cancer treatment or his cancer surgery – that kind of thing. I mean, do they not see it? Are they that blind?

Dr. Lile: I think what they are focusing on is that if they compromise at all, then we have the advantage. If they compromise on gestational age limits, then we can say, “Oh, so you agree there is a time when an abortion is wrong.” If we look at a medical emergency like we’re all facing now and if we say, “Oh, there is a time when abortion is wrong” then that gives us an upper hand where there are times when abortion is wrong. So, they will say, “Abortion is right at any gestational age for any reason despite the fact that there’s a pandemic going on worldwide.”

Jim: Yeah.

Dr. Hager: And I think Bill is exactly right. But, uh, there’s another factor I believe, Jim, that’s involved here and that’s the financial factor. This is a big money industry and if we put this on pause for 30 days, what’s going to happen with funding and are people going to realize, you know, “I can give birth to this baby. I didn’t have to abort this child.”

Jim: That is true. And I think the – the glaring hypocrisy again – if they just stand down, oh, guess what? A baby is born, and that baby is human, and that baby gets all the rights that everyone should enjoy including the pre-born. And that’s the issue. Bill, you said something to me I want you to repeat. I think it was at dinner when we had that great meal in Washington, D.C. a few weeks ago. But, on this question, is abortion ever a med – a medical necessity? Your answer was so powerful. How do you respond to that?

Dr. Lile: Well, there are times when we need to deliver a baby early. That’s why we have – we just spent seventy million dollars on a high-risk pediatrics center. So, there are times when we need to deliver a baby early and give that baby every opportunity to do well in our intensive care nursery. But is there a reason to take the life of that baby during the process of delivering that baby early? No. You know, we look at, uh, what’s going on with – even Governor Cuomo – comes down to patient care. And Governor Cuomo last week said that he wouldn’t accept the premise that human life is disposable. Well, that’s exactly what abortion says. It says, “This is human. This is life. But it is disposable.” And we’re here to say that, “These are patients. They are not disposable. And we’re also here to help those women who are facing a lot of stress right now.” And to let them know that this pregnancy will not put them at an elevated risk like we saw with the H1N1 flu. We don’t have any evidence that this virus can cause birth defects like we saw with Zika. We’re here to support them. We’re here to support them emotionally, physically, physiologically, and spiritually.

Jim: Specifically, even when it comes to the health of the mother which is often the out-clause for the abortion industry, you said something again that was profound which is as an OBGYN you’ve never seen the taking of the babies life as the health of the mother needs if she’s in distress. Repeat that for me.

Dr. Lile: Correct there are time where we need to deliver the baby early like with severe preeclampsia or eclampsia. These are medical condition that are effecting the lives of both the mother and the baby. However, deliver the baby? Yes. Take the life of the baby? There’s no way that taking the life of the baby will help the health of the mother. If an emergency c-section is needed, I can have that baby out in less than 30 seconds. That will not hinder the health or effect the health of the mother.

John: Our guests today on Focus on the Family are Dr. David Hager and Dr. Bill Lile. We’re so grateful for their hearts and their work. And you can find out more about how you can be a pro-life voice. We’ve got a lot of resources at our website including a new I Am Pro-Life Prayer Guide. It’s all available at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. Or call 800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY.

Jim: Dr. Hager, let me ask you to explain why the coronavirus is increasing abortions in the country right now and how – how are the pro-abortionists – the clinics – how are the preying on the fear and vulnerability? We’ve alluded to it, but I want to ask you to speak very specifically to that. How is this happening?

Dr. Hager: Well, Bill may want to elaborate on this, but it – it’s basically happening out of fear and, um, we are in a state basically of panic. And so, many young women – and we’re answering those calls regularly – are being told, “You may be exposed to coronavirus. You have been exposed to coronavirus and therefore your baby is going to be infected. There is going to be transmission to the baby through your blood stream trans placentally.” And we don’t have that information. We don’t have data to support that. We don’t even have data to support that this virus is transmitted through breast milk. So, it’s basically a -a fear-mongering stance to say “Unless you terminate your pregnancy, then your baby is going to be infected. And we have no idea what the sequela for that newborn infant will be with this virus.”

Jim: Hm. Bill, do you have anything to add to that?

Dr. Lile: It all comes down to patient care and information. There is so much information that is coming in, but we have no evidence that is causes birth defects. We have no evidence that the moms are going to fare worse than they would based on their age and their current health. And the foundation of any society is how do we take care for – of our most vulnerable? Our pre-born? Those are our most vulnerable. We need to get accurate information. We are in a medical crisis right now. And the abortion industry is capitalizing on the fear of that crisis and it is directing women to the state of Florida. We have so many restrictions on abortion in states around our area that they are now crossing our border here into Pensacola. We have state troopers 20 miles away from where I am sitting on Interstate 10 that are stopping everybody that comes into the state of Florida because our governor, Ron DeSantis, has said that, “If you are from Louisiana, New York, or New Jersey, we demand a 14 day quarantine.” While our abortion clinic which is two miles away from where I am is filled with license plates from those states. It’s filled with license plates from Louisiana, from Georgia, from Alabama, from Mississippi, that are coming over here. They are not self-quarantining for 14 days. They are taking up services, they are using personal protective equipment, such as gloves, while they’re taking the lives of these babies and then they turn around and they go back to their state. Louisiana, Orleans County, has the highest per capita death rate in the United States. 14 people are dying for every 100,000 residents. Meanwhile, in New York City, it’s 4.2 per 100,000. New Orleans is going to be in the news in the next couple of weeks because of how COVID-19 is effecting them. For them to come from New Orleans to Pensacola, expose themselves and COVID-19, staff and people here in our community, take the life of a baby on the inside is just more reason we need to educate these moms. We need to support these moms. We need to tell them about this person that is inside of them and do what we can do to meet their needs.

Jim: Yeah.

Dr. Hager: Jim, let me bring that back to the – the coronavirus. The World Health Organization, they’re basic principle in this pandemic is to save the most lives. There’s a contrary ethical principle – I sit on our ethics committee and we’re meeting regularly to make decision about allocation of resources – but a different view is the principle to save the most life years. If you put that in the perspective of a pregnancy termination, we’re going in reverse. The unborn child with the most life years ahead of it – him or her – is being terminated with an elective procedure that we’re saying we can’t do elective procedures in this country during this pandemic.

Jim: That’s – that is a very interesting way to look at that. I want to give you both a shot. You’ve outlined it. I think you’ve certainly touched on it but explain why a slowdown of abortions during the pandemic makes so much sense. You – you’ve said it, but I can ask it directly? And, Bill, we’ll start with you and come back to you David.

Dr. Lile: Well, slowing down the abortion industry is so vital to let moms know what is going on inside of their bodies – not to panic. We were – in Genesis it tells us in the first chapter we were created in the image of God. This is after God created all of the stars, the planets, and the animals, the oceans, and the mountains, then He said, “Now let show you something really amazing.” And He created us in the image of God. Nothing else was created in image of God. We’re special. We’re created in the image of God, but when are we created in the image of God? We’re created in the image of God at that moment of conception. Abortion is an attack against God and the image of God. Delaying abortions, just like when it comes to a 24 hour waiting period, allows moms to avoid the panic, think it through, and think what they’re doing. That’s why when we see – have the opportunity for an abortion pill reversal, the majority – I’ve successfully in my practice able to reverse six abortion pill abortions safely – healthy moms, healthy babies. The majority of the moms who contact us, contact us within the first 24 hours where they took the pill. They were stressed. They thought, “There’s nowhere else to turn. I have no other options.” And then almost immediately they have second thoughts. So, any delay that we can have in an abortion being performed, allows God to touch the hearts and people to communicate with these ladies, let them know they’re loved, let them know they’re supported, we’re going to help them through this. And then they’ll realize this gift that is in their womb.

Jim: Hm. That is so, so good. Let me ask you, too, um, New York Times ran an article recently talking about how the pandemic is the fault of evangelicals because we don’t believe in science. You two are both scientists and evangelicals. Let me give you a moment each to kind of respond to that cultural, uh, I don’t know, darkness where people can’t understand what the Christian community is about. Can I give both of you that opportunity, Dr. Hager?

Dr. Hager: Sure. Um, you know, we, uh – we serve a God Who is the author of science. And, so, I have always found that my research, my scientific endeavors, have al – always come back to point to a Creator – a Sustainer of Life, as Bill has already said, that life begins at conception. So, it’s a way to demean those of us who have a faith and a belief in God and it’s a way of saying that that is not scientific. It doesn’t – is not upheld by – by – in the practice of medicine. And so, it – it just flies in the face of that. Let me just tag onto that a bit. And that has to do with the whole idea of the question that you posed about changing the culture by delay. And, um, here in Kentucky with – Jim, the Operation Ultrasound with Focus on the Family and the Physicians Research Counsel has so closely with that – but here in Kentucky I testified before the Sixth District Court of Appeals regarding our Operation Ultrasound insisting that every pregnant women must see an ultrasound. She can turn her head or hear the heartbeat. She can close her ears. But we have already seen a decrease in the number of pregnancy terminations after that was enacted as a bill. And so, delay – those who are abortion proponents – know that any kind of delay, whether it’s a pandemic or whether it’s an ultrasound is often going to change the mind of an abortion minded woman. And so, that’s – that flies in the face of science – to question of science, an evidenced based medicine – because it’s a proven fact. We’re seeing those results.

Jim: Yeah, that is good. Bill, how about you?

Dr. Lile: Science is always a little bit behind the Scriptures. Scripture has always been right. Whenever there was a little difference, it’s because the science has not caught up with what Scripture said. Even when you look back in Psalm 139 where the psalmist is saying, “You know what? There was a night of romance and then nine months later a baby came out and I don’t understand how all this happened. All I know is that I was knit together in my mother’s womb and I’m fearfully and wonderfully made.” Well, what do we know about knitting together in our mother’s womb? We know that conception takes place and the DNA that is in that one cell is the exact same as if you were to get your DNA report through ancestery.com or 23andme. But then that one cell which is unique from all people – seven billion and all the people that ever lived and will live. That one cell divides in to 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. And then how does it know when it gets to a certain division and one cell says to the other one, “You know what? I don’t want to be an exact copy of you. I want to start the entire neurologic system.” And another cell says, “You know what? You do that. I’m going to start the whole skeletal system.” And another one says, “You know what? I’m going to start the entire cardiovascular system.” They all have the exact same blueprints in DNA, how do they know what they’re going to turn into? It’s called cell differentiation. We see it, but we don’t know how it happens. So, how does it happen? Because when you see a design like that, there had to be a Designer. You see an architecture like that there had to be an Architect. It had to the hand of God that creates a miracle there from just two cells. One from the mom. One from the dad. And it develops into sixty trillion cells into who we are as humans now.

Jim: That is powerful. That’s what it’s about. And that’s why we people of faith stand in the gap for the pre-born child, for the women who carry them, for their decisions and for really the rest of both of their lives so they’re regret free. And let me just say thank you to both of you for what you’re doing as medical professionals as well as believers in Jesus. Thank you for being with us today.

Dr. Hager: Thank you.

Dr. Lile: It’s a pleasure. Thank you very much.

Jim: Let me turn to the listeners. We know that we’ve talked about some things that are very sensitive. If you need our help, if you need to talk to a counselor, we’re here for you. John will give those details. Don’t hold back. We’ve been doing this for over 40 years. We know the pain points. And we have resources and help here for you in that regard. Let me also say Dr. David Hager mentioned the Option Ultrasound effort here at Focus. Together we have saved over 450,000 babies lives. And we’re going to continue to do that. We have gotten these metrics down to where it’s $60 to save a baby’s life. And you will help us place an ultrasound machine in a pregnancy resource center, a mobile unit, or give training to sonographers, or help a doctor place his or her license for one of these clinics to do these ultrasounds. But together all of us – here at Focus, your donations, what you do to support this effort – uh, we are saving babies. And that’s what counts. So, help us in that regard if you can. We know the economy is in shambles right now, but if you can continue to help us to save a baby’s life, I think the Lord will be pleased. Uh, John, how do people get involved with that?

John: There are many different ways, but of course, as you said Jim, supporting our Option Ultrasound program is a critical component of our outreach for life. And we’ll invite your donation by calling 800, the letter A and the word FAMILY. Or stop by focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. While you’re at the website be sure to look for a new prayer guide that we’ve developed. It’s an I Am Pro-Life Prayer Guide. It covers single moms, pregnant women, how to pray effectively for the elderly and nursing facilities, children in foster care. Download this free prayer guide at the website. Again, that’s focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. Well, on behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team here thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family. I’m John Fuller inviting you back next time as we once more help you and your family thrive in Christ.

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God designed marriage to reflect His love to the world; and because of this, the enemy wants to destroy God’s beautiful design. Based on his book, Defending Your Marriage, Dr. Tim and Noreen Muehlhoff share about the reality of spiritual warfare against marriages, and how to combat the enemy’s lies with the truth of God. Couples will be encouraged that they’re not alone in the fight for a godly marriage and better equipped to be a shining example for the world around them.

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Dr. Tim and Mrs. Noreen Muehlhoff

Dr. Tim Muehlhoff is a professor of communication at Biola University in La Mirada, California where he teaches classes in family communication, interpersonal communication, apologetics, gender, and conflict resolution.  Tim and his wife, Noreen, are both on staff with Biola’s Center for Marriage and Relationships  where he is a co-host of The Art of Relationship podcast. 

Defending Your Marriage

Is your marriage under attack? Sometimes it can feel like the world is trying to tear your marriage apart. Internal conflicts or external pressures might make you wonder if something sinister is going on. How can you tell if you’re facing spiritual opposition? And what can you do about it? Tim Muehlhoff provides a straightforward resource for protecting your marriage from the threats of the evil one. He looks at what Scripture says about spiritual warfare and how our everyday struggles have deeper spiritual realities. And he provides practical steps for guarding our marriages with the whole armor of God.

Effective Habits to Embrace in Parenting

To be an effective parent, you must be a leader in your child’s life, guiding with a gentle hand and setting a solid example. Dr. Randy Schroeder provides the insight you need to be a leader-parent. As he explores the foundational Rs—relationship, routines, responsibilities, and rules—you’ll better understand the role you play in your child’s life. You’ll learn great phrases to employ such as “Either/Or/You Decide” and “When You/Then You”. While there is no perfect parent, this nuts-and-bolts material will equip you to lead your child in a loving, confident manner.

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Dr. Randy Schroeder

Dr. Randy Schroeder has spent more than four decades writing, counseling, speaking, and teaching. For nearly 25 years, he was Vice President of Student Personnel Services, Dean of Students, and a professor of pastoral counseling at Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Ind. He’s also led a successful counseling practice helping individuals, couples, and families to thrive in their lives and relationships.

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Simple Habits for Effective Parenting

Effective parenting is now within your grasp! With this inspiring how-to comprehensive book, achieve extraordinary results in raising a child to be self-assured, self-reliant, and responsible! You will be able to successfully lead and lovingly encourage your child toward a Godly life!

Reigniting Your Passion for Jesus - Part 1

For those of faith whose passion has waned over time, Kim Meeder will reinspire you in your relationship with Jesus Christ as she tells powerful, true stories about God that will spark renewed joy in your heart and encourage you to share the Gospel with others.

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Kim Meeder

Kim Meeder and her husband, Troy, are the co-founders of Crystal Peaks Youth Ranch, a non-profit organization in Bend, Oregon, that rescues abused horses and pairs them with hurting kids for mutual healing. Kim is a popular motivational speaker and the author of a half dozen books including Hope Rising and Bridge Called Hope, which feature inspirational stories from her ranch.

Revival Rising

With enthusiasm that will set ablaze your passion to reach the hurting, Kim Meeder encourages you to let the holy fire of God’s presence fill your heart, soul, mind and strength. As your fear and pride melt away, those around you who are losing their battle for hope will be transformed by encountering His redeeming love in you. This–this is revival rising.

Reigniting Your Passion for Jesus - Part 2

For those of faith whose passion has waned over time, Kim Meeder will reinspire you in your relationship with Jesus Christ as she tells powerful, true stories about God that will spark renewed joy in your heart and encourage you to share the Gospel with others.

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Kim Meeder

Kim Meeder and her husband, Troy, are the co-founders of Crystal Peaks Youth Ranch, a non-profit organization in Bend, Oregon, that rescues abused horses and pairs them with hurting kids for mutual healing. Kim is a popular motivational speaker and the author of a half dozen books including Hope Rising and Bridge Called Hope, which feature inspirational stories from her ranch.

Revival Rising

With enthusiasm that will set ablaze your passion to reach the hurting, Kim Meeder encourages you to let the holy fire of God’s presence fill your heart, soul, mind and strength. As your fear and pride melt away, those around you who are losing their battle for hope will be transformed by encountering His redeeming love in you. This–this is revival rising.

Mothers and Sons: Being a Godly Influence - Part 1

Rhonda Stoppe describes her early motherhood challenges of raising a son, which was intimidating to her. She found help through group of older women mentors. She urges moms to see their role as ministry in shaping sons to be good and godly men. Rhonda outlines several practical suggestions to moms about spiritual training, how to communicate with boys, and supporting the father-son relationship as a wife.

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Rhonda Stoppe

Drawing upon 35 years of experience as a mentor, pastor’s wife, and homeschool mom, Rhonda Stoppe offers encouragement and guidance to women as an author and public speaker. She is popularly known as the “No Regrets Woman,” as she is especially passionate about helping women live life without regrets. Rhonda’s books include Moms Raising Sons to Be MenReal Life Romance, and The Marriage Mentor, which she co-authored with her husband, Steve.

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Moms Raising Sons to Be Men

Mothers of boys have the special calling to shape future men of God. Popular speaker Rhonda Stoppe, mom to two sons, knows this opportunity is a challenge, a joy, and probably the most important work of a woman’s life. Drawing from years of experience, this inspirational resource will revive the faithfulness and fortitude a woman needs to partner with God as they shape the character and heart of a future godly man.

Mothers and Sons: Being a Godly Influence - Part 2

Rhonda Stoppe describes her early motherhood challenges of raising a son, which was intimidating to her. She found help through group of older women mentors. She urges moms to see their role as ministry in shaping sons to be good and godly men. Rhonda outlines several practical suggestions to moms about spiritual training, how to communicate with boys, and supporting the father-son relationship as a wife.

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Rhonda Stoppe

Drawing upon 35 years of experience as a mentor, pastor’s wife, and homeschool mom, Rhonda Stoppe offers encouragement and guidance to women as an author and public speaker. She is popularly known as the “No Regrets Woman,” as she is especially passionate about helping women live life without regrets. Rhonda’s books include Moms Raising Sons to Be MenReal Life Romance, and The Marriage Mentor, which she co-authored with her husband, Steve.

Cover image of Rhonda Stoppe's book "Moms Raising Sons to be Men"

Moms Raising Sons to Be Men

Mothers of boys have the special calling to shape future men of God. Popular speaker Rhonda Stoppe, mom to two sons, knows this opportunity is a challenge, a joy, and probably the most important work of a woman’s life. Drawing from years of experience, this inspirational resource will revive the faithfulness and fortitude a woman needs to partner with God as they shape the character and heart of a future godly man.

Identifying Triggers in Your Marriage Part 1

They were both convinced they had married the wrong person. From almost the very beginning of their marriage, Amber and Guy Lia experienced various tensions and personality clashes related to house cleaning, backseat driving, workaholism, and intimacy. In this two-day Focus on the Family broadcast, Amber and Guy discuss how they bravely faced the triggers head-on, and committed to working on their own relationships with Jesus. As you listen to the Lia’s story, you’ll feel hope that you, too, can see real marriage transformation!

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Mr. and Mrs. Guy and Amber Lia and Mrs. Jean Daly

Amber Lia is a work-at-home mom, blogger, public speaker, and co-author of two best-selling books. Her husband, Guy, is a former TV, feature film, and VFX development and production executive who has worked on popular TV shows and films. Guy and Amber own Storehouse Media Group, a faith- and family-friendly TV and film production company based in Los Angeles,

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Marriage Triggers: How You and Your Spouse Can Exchange Angry Reactions for Gentle Biblical Responses

A husband-wife team offers practical advice for married couples to end the cycle of reactionary arguments by examining the most common issues that trigger disagreements and apply God’s Word to radically transform relationships.

Identifying Triggers in Your Marriage - Part 2

They were both convinced they had married the wrong person. From almost the very beginning of their marriage, Amber and Guy Lia experienced various tensions and personality clashes related to house cleaning, backseat driving, workaholism, and intimacy. In this two-day Focus on the Family broadcast, Amber and Guy discuss how they bravely faced the triggers head-on, and committed to working on their own relationships with Jesus. As you listen to the Lia’s story, you’ll feel hope that you, too, can see real marriage transformation!

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Mr. and Mrs. Guy and Amber Lia and Mrs. Jean Daly

Amber Lia is a work-at-home mom, blogger, public speaker, and co-author of two best-selling books. Her husband, Guy, is a former TV, feature film, and VFX development and production executive who has worked on popular TV shows and films. Guy and Amber own Storehouse Media Group, a faith- and family-friendly TV and film production company based in Los Angeles,

Cover image of the book "Marriage Triggers" by Guy and Amber Lia

Marriage Triggers: How You and Your Spouse Can Exchange Angry Reactions for Gentle Biblical Responses

A husband-wife team offers practical advice for married couples to end the cycle of reactionary arguments by examining the most common issues that trigger disagreements and apply God’s Word to radically transform relationships.

What to Do When You're Not Okay - Part 1

Life can be pretty stressful. Between work, relationships, and other obligations, the pressure builds, and we lose sight of who we are. Counselor Debra Fileta helps you better understand your emotions, assess your mental, physical, and spiritual health, and intentionally pursue a path to wellbeing. In dealing with anxiety, depression, and panic attacks, Debra understands the importance of self-examination as well as the benefits of seeking professional help. She offers biblically-based advice, tools, and encouragement to help you get on a path toward healing and wholeness.

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Mrs. Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage. Debra resides in Pennsylvania with her husband, John, and their four children.

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Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are

In Are You Really OK? author and licensed counselor Debra Fileta challenges you to get real with who you are and how you’re doing spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically so you can recognize where you need growth and healing.

What to Do When You're Not Okay - Part 2

Life can be pretty stressful. Between work, relationships, and other obligations, the pressure builds, and we lose sight of who we are. Counselor Debra Fileta helps you better understand your emotions, assess your mental, physical, and spiritual health, and intentionally pursue a path to wellbeing. In dealing with anxiety, depression, and panic attacks, Debra understands the importance of self-examination as well as the benefits of seeking professional help. She offers biblically-based advice, tools, and encouragement to help you get on a path toward healing and wholeness.

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Mrs. Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage. Debra resides in Pennsylvania with her husband, John, and their four children.

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Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are

In Are You Really OK? author and licensed counselor Debra Fileta challenges you to get real with who you are and how you’re doing spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically so you can recognize where you need growth and healing.

Navigating a Toxic Culture with Your Daughter - Part 1

As a pediatrician, Dr. Meg Meeker has seen thousands of girls come through her office through the years. They struggle with eating issues, sexual identity, social media…and many other challenges in this toxic culture. Dr. Meeker will encourage parents to invest love and time in their daughters and develop their character to give them the best opportunity for a bright future, all rooted in a spiritual foundation. The discussion also includes healthy feminism vs. toxic feminism

Mrs. Meg Meeker

Dr. Meg Meeker is a pediatrician who is widely recognized as one of the country’s leading authorities on parenting, teens and children’s health. With appearances on numerous nationally syndicated radio and TV programs, her popularity as a an expert on key issues confronting families has created a strong following across America. Her work with countless families over the years served as the inspiration behind her best-selling books which include Strong Fathers, Strong DaughtersStrong Mothers, Strong Sons and The Ten Habits of Happy Mothers

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Raising a Strong Daughter in a Toxic Culture: 11 Steps to Keep Her Happy, Healthy, and Safe

Meg Meeker has been a pediatrician for more than thirty years, is a mother and a grandmother, and has seen it all. She knows what makes for strong, happy, healthy young women–and what puts our daughters at risk. Combining that experience with her famous common sense, she explains the eleven steps that will help your daughter–whether she’s a toddler or a troubled teen–to achieve her full human potential.

Navigating a Toxic Culture with Your Daughter - Part 2

As a pediatrician, Dr. Meg Meeker has seen thousands of girls come through her office through the years. They struggle with eating issues, sexual identity, social media…and many other challenges in this toxic culture. Dr. Meeker will encourage parents to invest love and time in their daughters and develop their character to give them the best opportunity for a bright future, all rooted in a spiritual foundation. The discussion also includes healthy feminism vs. toxic feminism

Mrs. Meg Meeker

Dr. Meg Meeker is a pediatrician who is widely recognized as one of the country’s leading authorities on parenting, teens and children’s health. With appearances on numerous nationally syndicated radio and TV programs, her popularity as a an expert on key issues confronting families has created a strong following across America. Her work with countless families over the years served as the inspiration behind her best-selling books which include Strong Fathers, Strong DaughtersStrong Mothers, Strong Sons and The Ten Habits of Happy Mothers

Cover image of Dr. Meg Meeker's book "Raising a Strong Daughter in a Toxic Culture"

Raising a Strong Daughter in a Toxic Culture: 11 Steps to Keep Her Happy, Healthy, and Safe

Meg Meeker has been a pediatrician for more than thirty years, is a mother and a grandmother, and has seen it all. She knows what makes for strong, happy, healthy young women–and what puts our daughters at risk. Combining that experience with her famous common sense, she explains the eleven steps that will help your daughter–whether she’s a toddler or a troubled teen–to achieve her full human potential.

Embracing Your Role as a Spouse

As a spouse, you have three roles to play—a friend, a partner, and a lover. On this one-day Focus on the Family broadcast, Pastor Kevin A. Thompson explores those different roles and challenges you to live them out by investing emotionally, physically, and mentally in your relationship. As friends, he suggests we learn to play and laugh together. As partners, he equips us with solid ways to handle conflict and communication. As lovers, he offers some thoughts on how to bring back the sizzle. He shares five keys to saving your marriage: humility, respect, mercy, communication, and resilience. You’ll be encouraged to intentionally invest in your marriage.

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Pastor Kevin Thompson

Kevin A. Thompson (MDiv, Beeson Divinity School) is lead pastor at Community Bible Church, a growing multi-site church with four locations in western Arkansas. Every year he meets with nearly one hundred couples with a range of needs, from pre-marital counseling to navigating the most serious betrayals. A marriage and parenting conference speaker, he and his wife, Jenny, have two children and live in Fort Smith, Arkansas. He blogs at kevinathompson.com.

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Friends, Partners, and Lovers: What It Takes to Make Your Marriage Work

With engaging stories and clear, simple language, pastor Kevin Thompson shows how to live out three distinct roles in marraige. Using solid biblical principles, he helps you and your spouse grow your friendship, be supportive partners through the good times and the bad, and develop a healthy and satisfying sex life.

Cherishing Your Spouse Every Day

Do you love your spouse, or do you truly cherish them? Gary Thomas encourages couples to make a daily effort to go beyond the ‘duty’ of love, and combat the natural inclination to drift apart, by choosing to see the best in their spouse.

Mr. Gary Thomas

Gary Thomas is an international speaker and best-selling, award-winning author whose books include Married SexSacred Marriage and Sacred Parenting. He has also written numerous articles for several prominent national magazines. Gary and his wife, Lisa, reside in Texas and have three children. You can learn more about Gary by visiting his website, www.garythomas.com.

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Friends, Partners, and Lovers: What It Takes to Make Your Marriage Work

“Most marriages survive by gritting teeth and holding on. But marriages can and will not only survive but thrive when husbands and wives learn to cherish one another.” Those are the powerful words of bestselling author Gary Thomas in his newest book–Cherish. And in a world desperate for marriage redemption, it is needed now more than ever. Thomas shows that although there are a countless number of marriages consisting of two people just going through the motions, there are real ways this pattern can be reversed: when husbands and wives learn to cherish one another in proven, loving, and everyday actions and words.

Sharing Your Faith with Grace and Purpose

You can confidently and lovingly share your faith—you just need to learn some new tactics to do so! In this Focus on the Family Daily Broadcast, apologist Greg Koukl outlines the “Columbo” tactic of asking questions, the “self-defeating argument” tactic to find holes in your opponent’s arguments, and other specific methods for engaging in faith-building conversations with others. Greg pulls from his over 30 years of experience debating atheists and agnostics to help you share your faith with grace and truth.

Mr. Greg Koukl

Greg Koukl is a writer, public speaker and talk show host who’s spent 30 years advocating for and defending the Christian worldview. Greg has written or contributed to 15 books, including The Story of RealityTactics, and Precious Unborn Human Persons. Greg has published nearly 230 articles and has spoken on 80 college and university campuses in the U.S. and abroad.

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Tactics, 10th Anniversary Edition: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions

In a world increasingly indifferent to Christian truth, followers of Christ need to be equipped to communicate with those who do not speak their language or accept their source of authority. In Tactics, 10th Anniversary Edition, Gregory Koukl demonstrates how to artfully regain control of conversations, keeping them moving forward in constructive ways through thoughtful diplomacy. You’ll learn how to stop challengers in their tracks and how to turn the tables on questions or provocative statements. Most important, you’ll learn how to get people thinking about Jesus.

Giving up Sugar, Tasting God's Goodness

As a latchkey kid, Wendy Speake turned to sugar for comfort. Every Friday, she would pedal to the candy show and use her allowance to fill her bag with candy. And one day, when she was older and a mom of three young boys, she came to realize that she was still “pedaling” away from her stress and using sugar as comfort, instead of turning to Jesus. She was joyless, worn out, tired, and in need of a change. In this interview, Wendy will challenge Christians to take 40 days to focus on fasting from something they turn to instead of Jesus for comfort. She invited people to break free from a dependence on sugar and taste the goodness of God.

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Mrs. Wendy Speake

With a background in Hollywood as a trained actress, Wendy Speake ministers to women as a bible teacher by applying the power of drama, poetry and comedy to the study of Scripture and real-life application of biblical truths. She has co-authored two books with Amber Lia titled Triggers: Exchanging Parents’ Angry Reactions for Gentle Biblical Responses and their latest, Parenting Scripts: When What You’re Saying Isn’t Working, Say Something New. Wendy is also the co-author (with Kelli Stuart) of Life Creative: Inspiration for Today’s Renaissance Mom.

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The 40-Day Sugar Fast: Where Physical Detox Meets Spiritual Transformation

Welcome to the 40-Day Sugar Fast, a fast that begins with us giving Jesus our sugar and ends with Jesus giving us himself–the only thing that can ever truly satisfy our soul’s deep hunger. On this 40-day journey you’ll learn how to stop fixating on food and other things you use to fill the voids in life and instead fix your eyes on Christ. Anyone who runs to sugar for comfort or a reward, who eats mindlessly or out of boredom, who feels physically and spiritually lethargic, or who struggles with self-control will discover here not only freedom from their cravings but an entirely new appetite for the good things God has for us.

Understanding the Root of Your Child's Misbehavior - Part 1

Often, children act out because they are used to getting attention through bad behavior. Dr. Kevin Leman offers advice to help parents transform their child’s behavior. He discusses the benefits of allowing your kids to learn from real-life consequences and describes the importance of understanding your child’s temperament based on his birth order.

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman is an internationally known family psychologist and an award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. He is also a popular public speaker and media personality who has made countless guest appearances on numerous radio and TV programs. Dr. Leman has written more than 50 books including The Birth Order BookHave a New Kid by Friday and Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.

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Why Your Kids Misbehave and What to Do about It

Tantrums. Talking back. Throwing toys or food. Meltdowns. Slamming doors. Kids know just how to push your buttons. You’ve tried all sorts of methods, but nothing seems to work. In this book, Dr. Kevin Leman reveals exactly why kids misbehave and how you can turn that behavior around with practical, no-nonsense strategies that really work . . . and are a long-term win for both of you.

Understanding the Root of Your Child's Misbehavior - Part 2

Often, children act out because they are used to getting attention through bad behavior. Dr. Kevin Leman offers advice to help parents transform their child’s behavior. He discusses the benefits of allowing your kids to learn from real-life consequences and describes the importance of understanding your child’s temperament based on his birth order.

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman is an internationally known family psychologist and an award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. He is also a popular public speaker and media personality who has made countless guest appearances on numerous radio and TV programs. Dr. Leman has written more than 50 books including The Birth Order BookHave a New Kid by Friday and Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.

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Why Your Kids Misbehave and What to Do about It

Tantrums. Talking back. Throwing toys or food. Meltdowns. Slamming doors. Kids know just how to push your buttons. You’ve tried all sorts of methods, but nothing seems to work. In this book, Dr. Kevin Leman reveals exactly why kids misbehave and how you can turn that behavior around with practical, no-nonsense strategies that really work . . . and are a long-term win for both of you.

Loving Your Spouse Through the Seasons of Marriage - Part 1

Debra Fileta has identified the four seasons of marriage that correspond with our natural seasons – spring (new life and new love), summer (things get hot!), fall (showing our true colors), and winter (long days ahead). In this interview, she will help couples better understand the four seasons of healthy relationships, what to expect during each one, and how to carefully navigate them for a stronger marriage.

Author Debra Fileta in the Focus on the Family broadcast studio

Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage.

Love in Every Season: Understanding the Four Stages of a Healthy Relationship

Every relationship goes through four life-changing seasons: Spring. Summer. Fall. Winter. Each season plays an important role in taking your relationship to the next level. And depending on how you navigate each season, your relationship will either flourish and grow, or it will slowly die. Whether you’re single, dating, engaged or married, join licensed professional counselor and relationship expert, Debra Fileta as she takes you on an eye-opening psychological and spiritual journey through the four seasons that she has observed in every healthy relationship.

Loving Your Spouse Through the Seasons of Marriage - Part 2

Debra Fileta has identified the four seasons of marriage that correspond with our natural seasons – spring (new life and new love), summer (things get hot!), fall (showing our true colors), and winter (long days ahead). In this interview, she will help couples better understand the four seasons of healthy relationships, what to expect during each one, and how to carefully navigate them for a stronger marriage.

Author Debra Fileta in the Focus on the Family broadcast studio

Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage.

Love in Every Season: Understanding the Four Stages of a Healthy Relationship

Every relationship goes through four life-changing seasons: Spring. Summer. Fall. Winter. Each season plays an important role in taking your relationship to the next level. And depending on how you navigate each season, your relationship will either flourish and grow, or it will slowly die. Whether you’re single, dating, engaged or married, join licensed professional counselor and relationship expert, Debra Fileta as she takes you on an eye-opening psychological and spiritual journey through the four seasons that she has observed in every healthy relationship.

How a Former Abortion Doctor Became Pro-Life

As an abortion doctor at Planned Parenthood, Dr. Patti Giebink believed she was helping women. Later, she began reading scripture and God gradually changed her heart on the abortion issue. Patti tells the story of her long journey from abortion doctor to pro-life and encourages listeners to share the message of life with compassion.

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Mrs. Patti Giebink

Dr. Patti Giebink is an OB-GYN who serves on the board of the Alpha Center, a well-known pregnancy center located in Sioux Falls, S.D. She also travels intermittently to work in mission hospitals in Pakistan and other countries. After completing her medical training, Dr. Giebink worked for Planned Parenthood from 1995-1997, during which she was the only abortion-provider in the state of South Dakota. She eventually experienced a radical change of heart on the issue of abortion after receiving God’s grace, forgiveness, and love, and she is now a passionate advocate for the pro-life movement.

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Unexpected Choice: An Abortion Doctor’s Journey to Pro-Life

Unexpected Choice is told from the perspective of a doctor who actually performed abortions through Planned Parenthood. The book chronicles her journey from being a pro-choice physician to someone speaking on behalf of the pro-life movement.

Reconciling Faith and Science in a Medical Crisis

Dr. Lee Warren is a neurosurgeon who has faced many heavy challenges in his life – from serving in the Iraq War to removing deadly brain tumors to experiencing the loss of a teenage son. He’ll share about his difficult quest to find answers to some of life’s toughest questions, while holding onto his faith in God and the sure hope of heaven

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Dr. Lee Warren

W. Lee Warren, M.D., is a brain surgeon , inventor, Iraq War veteran, and author of I’ve Seen the End of You: A Neurosurgeon’s Look at Faith, Doubt, and the Things We Think We Know, winner of the Christian Book Award®. His previous book, No Place to Hide, was included on the 2015 U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff’s Recommended Reading List. Dr. Warren has appeared on The 700 Club and the CBS Evening News, and his writings have been featured in Guideposts magazine. His Dr. Lee Warren Podcast, which is heard in more than 60 countries, helps listeners use the power of neuroscience, faith, and common sense to change their lives.

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I've Seen the End of You: A Neurosurgeon's Look at Faith, Doubt, and the Things We Think We Know

This gripping inspirational memoir grapples with the tension between faith and science—and between death and hope—as a seasoned neurosurgeon faces insurmountable odds and grief both in the office and at home.