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Focus on the Family Broadcast

Hospitality For Busy Families

Hospitality For Busy Families

One of the most countercultural things you can do as a Christian is to invite someone over for dinner. Karen Ehman helps busy families find opportunities for hospitality in everyday life
Original Air Date: September 5, 2022

Preview:

Karen Ehman: Ask the Lord, you know, is there somebody who we could reach out to, who we could open our homes to, that maybe has never been inside the home of a Christian, who maybe has never felt like they are wanted and welcomed and loved. And so, yeah, you, you hang with your peeps, you have your Christian friends over, you have your neighbors over, but sometimes you feel God tapping you on the heart, saying, “You know that person over there, that person who’s not really expecting to be seen and to be reached out to by you, invite him over.”

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John Fuller: That’s Karen Ehman and she’s our guest today on Focus on the Family. Your host is Focus president and author Jim Daly and I’m John Fuller.

Jim Daly: John, I think one of the most, uh, countercultural things you can do as a Christian is to invite someone over for dinner, think of that. Um, it’s not glamorous, but the Bible says, “Do not despise the day of small things.” What does that mean?

John: I like that verse.

Jim: That’s kind of an interesting application to that verse, just do something small for someone in your orbit. Uh, Jesus spent His time with a small band of disciples. He taught that the kingdom of God would expand out like a tiny mustard seed.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: God accomplishes His grand plan through those modest beginnings and taking a small risk to invite someone to coffee or over for dinner is a radical act in God’s kingdom. It could change your life. I have heard of so many testimonies of people that were invited to someone’s home for dinner and they became Christians over time.

John: That was the beginning of a faith journey. Yeah.

Jim: Yeah. It’s what cracks the heart open. Our guest today will reorient all of us about the view of ordinary hospitality and she’ll help you and us, uh, notice everyday opportunities to reach others.

John: Right. And, uh, Karen Ehman is a speaker with Proverbs 31 Ministries and a bestselling author and, uh, she’s captured some thoughts on this topic in a terrific book. It’s called Reach Out, Gather In: 40 Days to Opening Your Heart and Home. And, of course, we have copies of that here at the ministry. Uh, contact us by calling 1-800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY, or stop by focusonthefamily.com/broadcast.

Jim: Karen, welcome back to Focus on the Family.

Karen: Well, thanks so much for having me. It’s great to be back.

Jim: Yeah. Uh, hospitality, it’s a challenging, uh, opportunity for busy families, let me put it that way, but it’s not, uh, the busyness that prevents us from having people over. Why do you think hospitality is more difficult today, or is it?

Karen: I think it is more difficult, both because we are busier, that is a little part of it, but I think we have this notion in our minds, based on what we see on television or what we view on social media, that it has to look a certain way.

Jim: That makes it almost impossible then, mentally and emotionally-

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: to try to do, right?

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: It has to be this big thing.

Karen: Yeah, if you can’t do it like the experts do, then just don’t do it at all. If you can’t make your centerpieces and your food and your home look like those people you’re following on Instagram, and I’m not against following those, I get some great ideas from them, but they’re, they’re great to use as a resource, but not try to replicate as a lifestyle, and we think we have to replicate all that beauty we see and all that fancy we see or, boy, we just can’t have anybody over.

Jim: Yeah. I, I think so many, uh, uh – Jean, very much the same way. I think, especially on early on, she saw it as such a tsunami event that was overwhelming, you know, to really do it the way she would want to do it, almost perfectly-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: you know, and, therefore, it was like, uh, paralyzing to her. Do you encounter that kind of attitude?

Karen: Yeah, I do, and I think what we wrongly think is that we have to pull out all the stops and get everything all perfect and then we can have people over and that that’s hospitality, that’s entertaining. That’s trying to impress other people-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: not trying to just refresh them. Hospitality is just letting them pull up a chair in your ordinary life and focus on them, not on trying to impress them with all your décor and your food and all that, but just focus on them and who they are and how can I get to know you? It doesn’t have to be all fancy.

Jim: So, in that regard, how, how does a person lower their standard, (laughs) you know what I’m saying?

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: They’ve got this high bar of what the event at their home should look like, having someone over for dinner, and it’s nice for you say, “Yeah, let’s just call it a refreshing event,” but how do you actually embrace that and be good with it, you know, that it’s not going to be all perfect and it’s going to be, uh, a meal that maybe they’re not going to rave about, but it’ll be good enough? How do you get there emotionally?

Karen: For me, I think, back in my past, I flip the script, don’t think about in my past when I’ve hosted people, but when I’ve been a guest in someone’s house, when have I felt the most loved, wanted, and welcomed? And I can think of some of them, I’m pulling them up in my brain now, and then I think, what did they serve me? I can’t even tell you what the food was.

Jim: Oh, isn’t that amazing?

Karen: You know, or what did their house look like? Was there dust bunnies hiding under their couch? I can’t tell you, but I, I know how they made me feel-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: when I was over there. And so I think it’s helpful to think about what’s important to us when we’re a guest in someone’s home and then translate that to when we’re preparing to have someone over, don’t stress about the things that weren’t important to you when you were a guest.

Jim: Is there, this may be a tough question, but is there a bit of pride in some of that, or what is the source of that crippling, “It’s got to be perfect, and I can’t do perfect, so I won’t do it?” What’s, what’s that really coming from?

Karen: Yeah, I think it could be pride. I think it also is comparisons. We’ve seen other people and what they do and how it looks like they pulled off some awesome dinner party for 16 (laughs) and, and-

Jim: Right.

Karen: we’re just wanting to have that new couple over from church and, boy, you know, we kind of feel less than by comparison. And, too, there is this weird kind of, um, reciprocal thing, too, where you think, oh, well, if they had me over and they served something really fancy, then I have to do the same or, you know, if I have them over, are they going to have me over, and it’s kind of this tit for tat thing, and it needs to not be that way.

Jim: Yeah. In the opening, uh, John and I were going back and forth about that entryway for someone spiritually by having someone over for dinner. That was your story. You came to Christ through another believer’s hospitality. What happened?

Karen: I was a latchkey child-

Jim: Mm-hmm.

Karen: in, uh, early teens and into my teenage years and very lonely and didn’t have a home where I ever had anybody over. My mom was a single mom living on a budget so tight it squeaked and she was just trying to keep macaroni and cheese-

Jim: Mm-hmm.

Karen: on the table. But we lived across the street, kind of kitty-corner, from a tiny little country church and they got a new pastor and pastor’s wife and that woman saw me out in my front yard throwing a softball up to myself, ’cause I was home all alone, and she invited me to join the church softball team. Through that, I started to hang out with her. She would have me over.

Jim: How old are you at this point?

Karen: I’m about 16 at this point-

Jim: Wow. Yeah.

Karen: and she would have me over to her house and feed me warmed-up leftovers and apple cinnamon tea, nothing fancy. She would often joke, like, “I’m so sorry. All we have is leftovers,” but it tasted like a gourmet feast when I was at her house because I felt like she took interest in my life, she wanted to know who I was, what I was going through, and she just said, “Pull up a chair.” Sometimes I would fold laundry with her-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: I’d watch her toddlers, and I just became part of her life, and it was through her that I learned of a God who could be the father to the fatherless-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: and I became a Christian.

Jim: You know, what’s so interesting about that, I’m thinking of my wife Jean, who grew up in Garden Grove, and she has a girlfriend, still to this day, that they met in kindergarten. Linda’s mom was that kind of mom in the community, and she said her friends just liked to hang out there. Even if Linda wasn’t at home, like Jean and her friend Monie would go over and hang out with Linda’s mom ’cause she was just so fun to be with. Isn’t that amazing?

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: And these were elementary school kids. You know, who hangs out with somebody’s mom?

Karen: Right, right (laughs).

Jim: But she was just that loving, I think-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: and that’s what they were getting in that relationship was this loving adult who cared about them-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: and that’s what you’re saying.

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: What child, teenager, doesn’t want that, right?

Karen: Exactly.

Jim: What a great form of hospitality. H- how does scripture instruct us to prioritize the needs of our family? ‘Cause, you know, busyness is a killer to hospitality, so you got to start saying, “Okay, God first, you know, do the devotional time, which is good, and then my marriage, and then my parenting, family-”

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: “… and then, what’s left over, then I could dole out to other people around me.” Wh- what’s a good way to look at all of this?

Karen: I like – well, I think there are two extremes and so I like to kind of take a middle-of-the-road approach. I think the extreme is my family is my first and most important, my only ministry, and I just really don’t do anything with hospitality, I don’t really invite other people into our life, or the place I lived for a while, sad to say, when I tried to start, uh, being hospitable, but wrongly started out thinking it was entertaining, ’cause I married into a family full of caterers and bed and breakfast owners and I didn’t even know how to boil water.

Jim: Oh, my goodness (laughing).

John: Talk about a high bar.

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: It’s all fitting together now (laughing).

Karen: Yeah. So I was trying to pull out all the stops and impress these people and God taught me just a huge lesson about, you know, the difference between entertaining and hospitality, but I kind of did more for people outside my family, and my kids would sometimes, you guys, they would walk in the kitchen and go, “Oh, a homemade blueberry pie. Who’s coming to dinner?” because I was pulling out all the stops-

Jim: Ooh.

Karen: for other people. And I remember that day my son Mitchell said that, and I thought, “Ooh.” There were times that, not just with hospitality, but I would make a meal for someone that had a new baby or something and I would pull out all the stops and give my family lunch meat.

Jim: But did he say it in a negative way or just an observational way that caught you?

Karen: He was disappoin-, he was disappointed-

Jim: He was disappointed?

Karen: … ’cause he’s, “Ah, a homemade blueberry, blueberry pie!”

Jim: Wow.

Karen: He thought it was going to hit his tummy and then he went, “Oh, who’s it for?” ’cause he knew he wasn’t going to get a piece.

Jim: Oh, wow.

Karen: So I kind of adopted the rule that, if I was going to make something for someone else, I made it for family, and I took that middle-of-the-road approach, not pulling out all the stops and trying to wow people with my hospitality and leaving my family behind, not just saying my family’s my only gig and not having people over, but inviting my kids along for the journey, showing them what it means to open your heart and to open your home and let people just join you in life.

Jim: You know, that is such a subtle but powerful insight.

John: Yeah.

Jim: I mean, I’m sure I’ve done things like that, and I was too dense to catch it. At least you caught it-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: right-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: how to love your family and and remind them that they’re important to you as well.

Karen: And other people are important. I always prayed that my kids would catch a vision for hospitality and I’m seeing it-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: play out and, in fact, my daughter, she’s way out there beyond me. She just had an elderly couple over-

Jim: Oh.

Karen: that got stranded at the airport. She’s like, “You can stay at our house.”

Jim: How sweet.

Karen: And she just – and I’m like, “They could be ax murderers.” You know me, I watch too many whodunit shows.

Jim: Right (laughs).

Karen: But she did, she saw this couple, they were distressed, the woman was crying. She had just landed in Charlotte, North Carolina, back home, and she said, “My room-, ” uh, she had a couple roommates at the time, said, “My one roommate moved out. I have a guest room all for you,” and she came, she ordered them whatever dinner they wanted, and she said, “Mom, I got the courage to do that ’cause you, I saw you and Dad let people in our house.”

Jim: Oh. That’s pretty amazing.

John: That’s wonderful.

Jim: I’m hearing an airport ministry blooming here (laughing).

Karen: There you go. There you go.

Jim: Can you imagine that? With all the delayed flights, that might be a good thing. Um, I’m thinking of the passage in Matthew when Jesus says, “If you love those who love you,” don’t unbelievers do that? Like is that a big deal? Uh, explain that passage in this context of hospitality. Uh, it’s really aiming at the outsider, the people you maybe don’t click with or don’t agree with and having them over for dinner.

Karen: Right.

Jim: Karen, are you serious? That would ruin my meal.

Karen: Right

Jim: (laughs).

Karen: Well, I would say, if you’re just starting out, it is best to start out practicing on people you know well and you already get along with-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: but don’t stop there. I like to think-

Jim: I think it’s a great idea, by the way.

Karen: Yeah. I like to think of this, with whom does my life naturally intersect? Who do I see as I go about my week?

Jim: Oh, that’s good.

Karen: Who do I, who do I see as I go about my day? Who do my kids see? And just ask the Lord, you know, is there somebody who we could reach out to, who we could open our homes to, that maybe has never been inside the home of a Christian. Who maybe has never felt like they are wanted and welcomed and loved, and so, yeah, you, you hang with your peeps, you have your Christian friends over, you have your neighbors over, but sometimes you feel God tapping you on the heart, saying, “You know that person over there, that person who’s not really expecting to be seen and to be reached out to by you, invite him over,” even if it’s something simple like just, “Hey, would you like to come over and have coffee?” Or you don’t even have to do it in your home, you can be hospitable anywhere. You can take someone out for coffee if you’re stressed about getting your house prepared.

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: But but think of those people that are out of the box, not just those ones that it’s easy to have over, but those people maybe that you don’t agree with politically or whatever.

Jim: Yeah. It does a lot of good for people to mix in that way.

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: I mean, Jean and I have done that, um, I wish we did more of it, but we certainly have done it, and the fruit from it has been spectacular, you know. Kind of your story, when nonbelievers have come over and, over the course of time, without the expectation, I’m not there to change you, but, over the course of time, it’s amazing how their hearts do open up to the message of the gospel-

Karen: Oh.

Jim: just by the love that you’re showing them.

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: That’s kind of what the Lord said, right?

Karen: Exactly.

Jim: (laughs).

Karen: And I, I have actually a really current, real-life example of a gir-, she’s a young woman now in her late twenties, didn’t quite know if I wanted her hanging out with my daughter in high school-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: you know, I kind of stalked her on social media, but we said, “Nope, our house is going to be the hangout place,” welcomed her over. Right after high school, she, um, was working in a strip club, she was doing drugs, she was doing all kinds of things, and I just, my heart broke for her. I followed her on social media. About a year ago, I saw her start to post Bible verses.

Jim: Wow.

Karen: Long story short, she’s now a believer. She reached out to me the other day, came to my house, and sat down and said, “Can I just tell you thank you for always accepting me, even though I knew you didn’t approve of what I was doing. I knew the Ehman’s are not going to be happy with what I’m doing in my life, but every time I came over here, you threw open your arms, you hugged me and said, ‘What do you want to eat?’”

Jim: Wow.

Karen: And, and she said, “I even remember when I told you I was working at a strip club, you didn’t even flinch. You didn’t even flinch,” and I said, “well inside I was flinching (laughs).”

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: You know, but it’s just – we, we can’t expect everybody to behave like us, to believe like us, and you never know when God might use you, welcoming and loving somebody, to be a little seed that changes-

Jim: Right.

Karen: years down the road, they can point back and there was this little seed. There were a lot of other people that were part of the equation, God does the saving, but just being hospitable and loving, regardless of what they believe, can be huge.

Jim: But, again, the overarching statement there is relationship-

Karen: Mm-hmm.

Jim: which is why God created us in the first place, for Him, right, to have relationship with us, and I think that’s the key to spreading His word to the nonbelievers, just have relationship, just be normal-

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: and have relationship with people.

Karen: Yeah.

John: Well, this is Focus on the Family with Jim Daly, and our guest today is Karen Ehman. We’re talking about opening your heart and your home. Uh, her book is called Reach Out, Gather In. As you can tell, there is a real impact you can have when you bring somebody into your life. We’re inviting you to do that and, uh, please, get a copy of Karen’s book when you contact us here, 800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY, or stop by focusonthefamily.com/broadcast.

Jim: We’ve hit some of those, uh, roadblocks, but I want to be a little more specific so people can see themselves, (laughs) frankly, in what you’re talking about. When you were newly married – and I think seasons of life can play big into this. When you have little kids, it becomes very difficult because you got so much going. Uh, but, for you, when you’re newly married, you were excited to have people over and then you kind of lost steam, which I think is kind of the normal pattern, if you were to map it out on a graph. You know, you’re newly married, you got a bit more time perhaps, you don’t have little children yet. Speak to that, uh, issue of, of availability.

Karen: Yeah, I think, when the kids came along, it got more difficult. I still wanted to do it, but I started to get a little, um, frustrated sometimes with other people’s children who broke my stuff, ’cause I like my stuff.

Jim: (laughs)

Karen: You know, I registered for my wedding stuff and it’s nice stuff and, and we used it for a long time when we were newly married and mostly hanging out with people that didn’t have kids, but then, once we started to become parents and all our friends became parents and then they’re, you know, breaking my stuff or messing up my carpet, I started to just get a little frustrated, especially, too, because we were living on a budget so tight it squeaked, so I couldn’t buy a new whatever that just got ruined. Well, one day, I was kind of grousing about it and, um, a friend gently kind of rebuked me and said, “You know what, Karen? That stuff is not your stuff anyway. It all belongs to God. And, if a chipped crock pot can help introduce someone to Christ, let the crock pot get chipped.” And, when she said that to me, it really, really shifted my thinking. Nothing I, I have belongs to me. I need to steward it well, use it for the Lord, if it gets broke, it gets broke. It’s not the end of the world.

Jim: Yeah. That’s such a good reminder for all of us, actually, don’t get upset over the stuff. People are more valuable, right?

Karen: Yeah, although, the real, real valuable stuff-

Jim: You put it away.

Karen: put up, put up high enough that the kids can’t reach it.

Jim: Yeah, for sure.

Karen: How’s that? That’s a good compromise (laughs).

Jim: That’s definitely a good idea. Um, you know, one of the, one of the things I noticed with Jean, early on, she was people-pleaser. It was really hard for her to say no and that created some conflict for us. Uh, describe, uh, the group of women you met in college, I think, who maximized their roles at church, and, uh, in that regard, what I saw Jean trying to do is, especially even at church, you know, say yes to so much that it became a bit overwhelming for her.

Karen: Yeah. When I first became a Christian through that woman, Miss Pat, who led me to the Lord, I continued to go to that church when I was in college, and she just welcomed me into that women’s circle of friends that were there. They were all older than me, I was the youngest, but they didn’t make me feel like I didn’t belong, but I, I thought it was so interesting how they each kind of had their little niche, their thing that they were gifted at, that they were good at, their spiritual gifts. You know, one woman was great with making stories come alive to children and she was serving in the children’s ministry. One was really great with Bible study and prayer. One elderly woman, she was like stunning with her, her makeup and her clothes and she liked to (laughing) help people like find their best colors and stuff. And they all kind of were specific and strategic in what they were good at, but, as a group, I feel like I got so many of my needs met-

Jim: Huh.

Karen: because they, they weren’t all trying to do everything-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: they weren’t all signing up for everything, and they were so welcoming and hospitable, whether it was going over to their homes. We would rotate like what house the Bible study was at. But even just being around them-

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: I felt wanted, I felt like they were just really welcoming to me, and they cared about me and my future and my dreams and my hopes and my fears and it was so interesting to me just how they all had their little niche, and I knew who to go to if I needed a question asked about something. It was, uh, a great place to land as a new Christian.

Jim: You know, it, it, it, uh, begs a question, I think, in my mind. Those women that really know their niche and then they, you know, they don’t go far beyond that. I’m sure, occasionally, they’re saying yes to things that are outside their capability, and that’s all fine. But what I hear you saying is try to stay in the lane th-, and the giftedness that God’s given you and you’re going to thrive there, you’re going to do well there. When you overextend and have too many commitments, or whatever it might be, it could take you right outside of the very core thing God has you doing.

Karen: Yeah.

Jim: You mentioned something about heart drops, and I want to ask, very specifically, you say, uh, uh, you need to know what it means to truly listen and look for the heart drops. What, what is that?

Karen: A heart drop, it’s a concept I saw my mom do as I was growing up. She was great at listening for people’s heart drops. I didn’t know that this was term for it til, uh, uh, someone in my small group, that they te- termed it this, and I think it’s really fitting. What a heart drop is is when someone gives you a little peek into their heart without really saying anything, you’re just kind of listening between the lines. They may say that they have, uh, uh, some medical tests coming up next Thursday, and they don’t say, “And I’m really sad about it and I’m really nervous about it,” you know. They’ve just kind of given you, by the tone of their voice, this peek into them. Well, you can write down in your, you know, record down in your phone, next Thursday, to text them or call them and, and see how they’re doing.

Jim: Huh.

Karen: Or I remember one time my husband, he, he heard a little heart drop when I turned 30, just a couple years ago.

Jim: (laughs)

Karen: Um, I was, a youth pastor’s wife, my husband was a youth pastor, and the girls in our youth group were all talking about a slumber party and this slumber party was coming up, and they said, “What were slumber parties like with you way back in the late ’80s?”, you know.

Jim: We’d grab these rocks and pull them in together-

Karen: Yeah (laughing).

Jim: around the campfire.

Karen: And I just simply said, “Oh, you know, I never had a slumber party.” And my husband heard that, and he knew the home I grew up in. My mom was a single mom, very sad that she was divorced, thought it was, you know, the worst thing in the world and wasn’t treated great by the church, and so she shut down. She didn’t let anybody in our house. And my husband just heard me go, “Oh, I don’t know, I never really had a slumber party.” And so he heard that heart drop. I wasn’t saying, “And that really upset me, you know, and I’m still sad about it to this day.” So you know what that man did? He pulled off a surprise slumber party for my 30th birthday.

John: (laughs)

Jim: Seriously?

Karen: He did, he did.

Jim: That’s sweet.

Karen: I got kidnapped by two friends and taken to the, my church and they had this whole slumber party overnight. So it’s just listening between the lines-

Jim: Wow.

Karen: hearing what people are saying without really saying it, or it’s also listening for random pieces of information about someone’s likes and, and their, their hobbies or whatever that you don’t know how you’re going to use, but you’ll use it someday. For example, I love to listen, when I’m at a coffee shop with my friends, at their high-maintenance coffee orders, and I’ll go write them down

Jim: (laughing) I’ve heard those.

Karen: I’ll, I’ll go write them in-

Jim: They drive me crazy (laughs).

Karen: I’ll go write them down in my phone.

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: And, one time, I, I remember specifically one of my friends, I recorded it in my phone in April, didn’t know when I’d ever use it, but, that fall, her only child went off to college. I knew it was going to be a hard day and so I showed up on her front porch with a box of tissues and two coffee drinks, my simple one and her high-maintenance one (laughing) and said, “I thought you might need a cr-, shoulder to cry on and she said, “Oh, what’d you bring me, a va- vanilla latte, a mocha?”

Jim: 102 degrees, that’s what I was going for, yeah.

Karen: Yeah, and I said, and I said, “Your high-maintenance coffee, baby.”

Jim: Three pump, not four (laughs).

Karen: Yeah. And she said, “How did you know (laughing)?” And I said, “Because I recorded it,” and it meant so much to her that I paid attention.

Jim: Yeah.

John: That’s good.

Jim: No, that is really good. Let me ask you about hospitality outside of the home, and I’m not even sure that I’ve ever thought of that, um, ’cause I always connect hospitality in the home. What does that look like, outside the home hospitality? I can no longer get mad at the guy that cuts me off (laughing)? Is that out-of-the house hospitality?

Karen: No, you pray for him, right?

John: Invite him over for coffee.

Jim: (laughing) I’m doing much better, everybody. God’s worked a miracle in my life.

Karen: No, I think you just need to, to think about where does my week take me? Where are my layovers in life? Where am I going to be sitting waiting for the kids at baseball practice, you know, or where am I when I’m with my, my job or my volunteer responsibilities or what I’m doing in my church, and just look for ways to make people feel welcome there. For example, if it’s the baseball sidelines and there’s a new family, you know, maybe you could reach out to them and invite them over. Maybe you could show up with hot cider and donuts for all the soccer moms in the fall. Maybe you could have a little tray of something on your desk of little treats that people can swing by and pick a treat and then say, “Also, if you want to, leave a prayer request.” I mean, there are just ways, when you are out and about doing life, that you can seek to make other people feel welcome, just always be on the lookout. My, my mom had this philosophy that, whenever you feel like your life is, is not going the way you planned it, circumstances have gotten you down, remember, there’s always someone out there who has life off, worse off than you, so go find that person and do something to make their day and, in a strange way, it makes yours, uh, as well. She always used to say, “Get your eyes off yourself, honey, and get your eyes off those popular girls, you know, those popular girls, you think your life isn’t as good as them, guess what? There are some girls out there who really are sad.”

Jim: Mm-hmm.

Karen: “Go look for them and make them feel welcomed and wanted,” and it works.

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: It makes life an adventure if you’re seeking to serve others.

Jim: Well, and I think, spiritually, it, it’s really good for your kids to learn that. You know, you, you, you’re not as bad off as you think you are, and sometimes they need that little wake-up call, you know, ’cause they’re wallowing in their own situation, they didn’t get invited to the big thing, and whatever, but that’s, those are lessons I learned as a kid that were really good. There’s got to be somebody in a far worse spot than I’m in and, uh, that helped me emotionally, actually.

John: Good perspective.

Jim: Um, you had a chance to practice what you call in-the-moment ministry, uh, with your son’s friend Grant, so tell us about Grant.

Karen: Yes, Grant, I call him second Grant.

Jim: (laughs).

Karen: That group of friends, there was first and second Blake, first, second, and third Jake, and first and second Grant.

Jim: (laughs).

Karen: And second Grant had moved to our town and came over to our house often, he was a member of my son’s football team, state championship football team, may, I might add, (laughing) but he was an early riser and he would get up in the mornings on Saturday morning, after all the gang had spent the night Friday nights, and I was working on a book, trying to, uh, get it done, and he would get up and he’d plop himself on the couch and he’d say, “What ya doing, Mama Karen?” and I’d say, “I’m trying to write a book on noticing people, if you could leave me alone, please.”

Jim: (laughing). You’re sending all the body language.

John: (laughs).

Karen: Yeah. And it was like God just said to me, “Oh, I get it, Karen, you want to give the message, you just don’t want to live the message.”

John: Ooh.

Jim: (laughs). That is straightforward.

Karen: Yeah. So I knew what I needed to do. I needed to shut my laptop and I needed to listen to second Grant. He actually also loved to drink coffee, so he and I would drink coconut mocha coffee and I just let him share about his life. He had moved there recently, and he had a lot of stuff going on in his life and I just got to know him. And, a few months later, he asked, one random Saturday morning when we were drinking our coffee, what I was going to be doing the third Sunday in March, he wanted to know if my husband and I were available. And I thought, “Oh, what is there, like some big game on and they want to have the party here and watch the game and they want me to make my, my food for them?” And he said, “No, I just wanted to let you know that I’ve responded to the gospel and become a Christian and I’m getting baptized, and I would really love it if you and Mr. Ehman were there in the front row.”

Jim: Wow, that is awesome.

John: Wow.

Karen: And I thought, “I almost missed it.”

Jim: Yeah.

Karen: Like I almost missed it being so busy doing my thing, doing my big things, and not noticing that person sitting right in front of me.

John: Wow.

Jim: That is so, so good, Karen. What a wonderful reminder this has been about what hospitality is and the way God uses it to infiltrate someone’s heart, right? You’ve had many examples of that, so good. And let me remind our listeners, our viewers, Focus on the Family is here for you and we’d like to encourage you in your faith in the weeks and months to come and we have many great resources, like Karen’s book, Reach Out, Gather In: 40 Days to Opening Your Heart and Home. And I would appreciate it if you’d get that directly from us rather than some big retailer or big mail order place ’cause all the money goes right back into ministry. And, if you can make a donation for any amount, either monthly or one time, we’ll send it as a way to say thank you for being part of the ministry, and you’ll get to benefit from Karen’s wonderful insights.

John: Yeah, contact us today and, uh, make a donation as you can, either a monthly pledge or a one-time gift, we’ll send the book, Reach Out, Gather In, to you. Our number is 800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY, 800-232-6459, or stop by focusonthefamily.com/broadcast.

Jim: Karen, again, thank you so much for being with us, really good stuff.

Karen: Thank you so much for having me. You’ve been very hospitable.

Jim: (laughs)

Karen: See what I just did right there?

Jim: We’ve got lunch for you.

John: Yeah (laughing). Well, on behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team here, thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family. I’m John Fuller inviting you back next time as we, once more, help you and your family thrive in Christ.

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