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Focus on the Family Broadcast

Choosing Life For Those Without a Choice

Choosing Life For Those Without a Choice

In this broadcast, Ryan and Bethany Bomberger speak out for the value of every human life. They shine a light on an issue that is often lost in the discussion about abortion—the truth that abortion disproportionately targets the black community.
Original Air Date: June 13, 2022

Preview:

Bethany Bomberger:  We have to understand as Christians that we don’t have the luxury of staying silent about something that is the human injustice of our day, and that we are gonna be held responsible because it’s no longer gonna be that we don’t know these things.

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John Fuller: That’s Bethany Bomberger addressing the human injustice of our day. It’s the tragedy of abortion, specifically. She’s our guest, and her husband, Ryan, as well, on today’s episode of Focus on the Family. They’ll be sharing truth and encouragement along with your host, Focus president and author, Jim Daly. Thanks for joining us. I’m John Fuller.

Jim Daly: John, it’s sad to say this, but the United States has one of the most extreme abortion policies in the world, similar to Communist China and North Korea. Think of that company, uh, that we’re keeping.

John: Hmm.

Jim: In many states, abortion is allowed in the third trimester, even up to the point of birth. And there’s a disproportionate impact on the black community especially. Yet in a 2019 survey released by YouGov, in partnership with Americans United for Life, they found that 80% of Americans reject abortion the day before a child is born and two thirds of pro-choice Americans oppose abortion in the third trimester. Y- you can sense the momentum in the pro-life movement right now, and I’ve said many times that abortion is a moral issue. It’s not political. It’s about life and death. And we’re talking about the lives of literally millions of pre-born babies and the health and wellbeing of their mothers. And today’s conversation with the Bomberger’s will be eye-opening and encouraging for many of our listeners. So please, stay with us.

John: Yeah, and Ryan and Bethany co-founded The Radiance Foundation. It’s a life-affirming nonprofit. Ryan is an Emmy award-winning creative professional, and, uh, together, the Bomberger’s, uh, homeschool their four children, two of whom they’ve adopted. Uh, Ryan has a book called Not Equal: Civil Rights Gone Wrong. It’s a really fascinating collection of thoughts, essays, and graphic design. You can get that when you call 1-800, the letter A and the word FAMILY, or stop by our website. And Jim, here’s how you began the conversation.

Jim: Ryan and Bethany, uh, welcome to Focus on the Family.

Ryan Bomberger: Thanks. It’s great to be here. (laughs)

Jim: It’s good.

Bethany: It is. It’s an honor. It’s so fun.

Jim: Yeah. And it’s so good. And I, I can’t wait to have a discussion with you on a variety of topics. Ryan, your story begins out of some very difficult circumstances. Uh, tell us about your birth mom and how your journey and passion, uh, for life began.

Ryan: Well, it began with violence actually.

Jim: Hmm. Hmm.

Ryan: My birth mom experienced the horror and the violence of rape, and yet she was courageous enough to not only give me incredible gift of life but gave me the gift of adoption. So when people ask, “Why are you so passionate about this?” And I’m thinking, you know, “Where did your story begin?” (laughs) I think, “Well, it began when I began.”

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: And the fact that she made that singular decision that literally will have reverberations for generations, just continues to impact. I grew up in a tiny little family. I have 15 in my family.

Jim: (laughs)

Ryan: Six brothers and six sisters.

Jim: That’s a big van, man.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: (laughs)

Ryan: Oh, it was. It was, it was the maxi van with cracked vinyl seats.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: I’ll never forget it.

Jim: (laughs)

Ryan: And no air conditioning. (laughs)

Jim: And no air conditioning.

Ryan: No air conditioning. It was, it was rough.

Jim: Man, they may have gotten that fixed.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: That would’ve been helpful.

Bethany: (laughs)

Jim: That’s great.

Ryan: But it was, it was always an adventure.

Jim: And they adopted how many kids, your, your mom and dad, your adoptive mom and dad?

Ryan: Yes. 10.

Jim: They, they adopted 10?

Ryan: I was the first one. So it obviously went well.

Jim: (laughs)

Ryan: So every year, you know, there was a new person, a new flavor added to the family.

Jim: Trailblazer you are.

Ryan: Yes. Um-

Jim: And that’s something. Let me, I mean, we’re laughing at that, but what you said was very serious about how you came into the world, ’cause this probably is, you know, the most difficult thing for all of us pro-life, pro-choice to talk about.

Ryan: A- the, the tragic thing is that we think, and even Christians think that the natural follow-up to something so horrific and violent is the violence of abortion, but abortion doesn’t, you know, doesn’t heal anyone who’s actually been raped, and it doesn’t ever punish the rapist and it punishes the child.

Jim: Right.

Ryan: And I find that the common thread through those who chose to parent, those who chose adoption and those who are post-abortive, is that they believe, and they’ve expressed to us in many different events that the only redemptive part of that act is the child.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: You know, the circumstances of our conception never change the condition of our worth.

Bethany: Hmm.

Jim: Boy, that’s so true of-

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … a- abortion, generally. Right?

Ryan: Right.

Jim: I mean you think about it. That’s one of the things, I mean we advocate, we get it. It’s a tough decision. We understand that. And even the country, the law says you can make this decision, but I’m telling you the better decision is life, period.

Ryan: Yes.

Jim: Everything will flow better for you emotionally, spiritually, I think even physically, uh, if you make that right decision and hopefully that’ll be overturned at some point, but it will never go away. Uh, those sides will still fight through courts, et cetera. But that’s where I’ve always felt we’ve gotta make, uh, Roe v. Wade irrelevant.

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Jim: And what I mean by that is that a woman would not want to choose that for her baby. Make it unacceptable to say, “I wanna kill my child.”

Ryan: Right. Exactly. I mean, this is what we’re working toward through, you know, the organization that we found at The Radiance Foundation. We want to make it unthinkable, and we emphasize the, the beauty that rises out of tragic circumstances. God e- specializes (laughs) in that all the time.

Jim: Yeah. And it, you know, again, I’m just, you’re speaking from a different point of conviction.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: I mean, you easily could not have been here.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: Because both, e- I’m sad to say this, but even within the church and outside the church, definitely, you’re, unfortunately, the one that most of us would say, “Oh, well. It was a rape.”

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: Right?

Ryan: Right.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: How does it make you feel?

Ryan: Well-

Jim: I mean, that y- you’re in that 1% category.

Ryan: Exactly.

Jim: 1% of abortions are from rape and incest.

Ryan: Right. I’m the 1% that’s used 100% of the time to justify abortion.

Jim: Right.

Ryan: But I can tell you, there are a lot of people who are very happy that I’m alive.

Bethany: (laughing) True story.

Ryan: My wife, my wife, Bethany.

Bethany: It’s a true story.

Jim: True story.

Ryan: I’m pretty sure she is, too. (laughs)

Bethany: But you’re right. It’s a tangible example of what we’re told and what we’ve begun as a Christian body to think that it’s okay in certain instances. But I think that many, many Christians even don’t understand that 1% still leaves 99%. And even if we gave over the 1%, which we’re not gonna do-

Jim: Right.

Bethany: … that would still leave 99% of abortions that aren’t from incest and rape. And, and we’re saying that 100% of the time, there’s a better answer.

Jim: Yeah. Bethany let’s turn toward you. I didn’t mean to ignore you, of course. But, uh, what’s your story?

Bethany: [inaudible]

Jim: What’s your story?

Bethany: Well, I was one of those girls that grew up in church. I loved the Lord from a really young age. Uh, through my teen years, things got a little bit rough (laughs) as they do with many people, but I really stayed close to the Lord. When I was in my 20s, um, I had my degrees and I was teaching and I had a master’s degree and there were some situations that came into my life that were, I like to say them, they were disappointments. I was really disappointed and went through a number of years where really, I was emotionally numb. Things that I thought were gonna come to fruition hadn’t. Lord, where are you? Those kind of years.

Jim: Mm-hmm.

Bethany: And during that time, I was in a relationship with somebody who was emotionally abusive and wasn’t, uh, planning to be with him forever, but found that I was pregnant.

Jim: Uh-huh. How old were you?

Bethany: S- I was 28.

Jim: Okay.

Bethany: I was old enough to know, but in a place where this is just where my decisions had led me.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: I was teaching in public school. All my colleagues were like, “Just abort. We won’t tell anybody. Nobody’ll know. The kids won’t know.” The biological father was like, “I want nothing to do with you. I’ll give you the money to abort.” And I was like, “Lord, I don’t even know what to do with all of this.” But I went and scheduled an ultrasound, and I was just a few weeks, about eight weeks, uh, pregnant. And there, I saw this ultrasound and I saw this beating heart, which looked more like a piece of rice that was blinking.

Jim: Right. Yeah. (laughs)

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: (laughs)

Bethany: But I had a moment, a defining moment with the Lord.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: And I just felt his presence just embrace me-

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: … in that room, and I just felt his heart just wrap my heart and this baby’s heart. And I went home that night and I said, “Father, forgive me for just being selfish.”

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: I want this child to be somebody that she’s proud of her mama. And I opened this old journal and in the margin of this old journal was this verse, uh, Psalm 34:5, and it said, “I sought the Lord. He delivered me from all my fears. Those that look to him will be radiant and their faces will never be covered with shame.”

Jim: Wow.

Bethany: Didn’t even know that I was carrying my f- oldest daughter, but I named her Baby Radiance.

Jim: (laughs)

Bethany: And everybody thought I was crazy.

Jim: Right.

Bethany: But I said, “You know what? Her story’s gonna be this great exchange that the Lord never gets tired of. He’s gonna take the shame of any part of this testimony and exchange it for his radiant glory.”

Jim: Yeah. Well we, you know, we have run down the line here. I wanna come back to how you guys met. (laughs)

Bethany: Oh, yay.

Jim: And that was, that was actually the second question I had, (laughs) but.

Bethany: Okay.

Jim: I mean, yeah. How’d you guys meet?

Ryan: Well, interestingly enough, it was over the whole issue of abortion.

Bethany: Right. It’s, it’s funny how…

Jim: (laughs)

Bethany: So I, I went to… We both had gone to Regent. He had graduated and I was back there getting a master’s degree.

Jim: Way to go. (laughs)

Ryan: Yeah.

Bethany: Yeah. (laughing) And, um, I was on this committee that was helping to plan concerts for youth in the area. And he won’t say this, but he was the lead singer of this big band at the time called Surreal.

Jim: (laughs)

Bethany: And thank goodness they weren’t signed ’cause we wouldn’t have ended up together.

Jim: (laughs)

Bethany: But in the process of this, one of the, one of these events that I was working on helping to coordinate was a benefit concert for a crisis pregnancy center. So it’s actually kind of funny because me and my roommates were on the marketing committee. So we have like these posters and these Sharpie markers and we’re waiting, we’re sitting in this big room waiting for Surreal to show up and some of the marketing material they were gonna bring. Well, Ryan was a creative director and shows up with these beautiful, you know, marketing material and all this branding. I told my roommate, I said, “Girl, don’t show anybody our poster. Keep it under the chair.”

Jim: (laughs) Yeah. Stuff ’em under the mattress.

Ryan: Right? (laughs)

Bethany: “But who’s that guy?” Just my heart leapt, and so I always say I fell in love with him the first time I saw him.

Ryan: It was love at first sight for both of us.

Jim: Yeah. Boy, what an experience.

Ryan: It, it was a long journey to get to that point of marriage, however, but it was a love at first sight encounter.

Bethany: And, and part of that journey was a few, a number of years where it didn’t, it didn’t work out. So when I share about l- leaving and being like, “Lord, I thought you spoke things.” That was one of the things. So we went our own separate ways for a number of years and the Lord worked on my heart, the Lord worked on his heart.

Ryan: I was a hot mess and I needed healing. And I experienced healing-

Bethany: From just some depression that I believe is actually-

Ryan: Yeah.

Bethany: … possibly in utero.

Jim: Yeah, well get into it. Let’s… What was going on for you?

Ryan: Well, this is part of the thing that we underestimate what happens in the womb to that child, what happens emotionally and psychologically. I believe that a child feels rejection in the womb-

Jim: Uh-huh.

Ryan: … because there was this rejection that I felt throughout my life, even though I was loved like crazy by my parents, there was this… and it was probably my drive toward perfection ’cause I never wanted to be rejected. And so unfortunately there was this self-loathing-

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: … that just kept increasing, increasing, and by the time, you know, I, I had got my master’s degree, it started to overtake me. And when you’re depressed, you, you surround yourself with darkness. Darkness loves more darkness.

Jim: Uh-huh.

Ryan: And I started realizing that I was surrounding myself with, with darkness. And so I was intentional, of course, about reading and I put these verses up around my room and there was this song by an artist called Cindy Morgan, and it was a song called I Will Be Free. And I would just read the, the lyrics to that chorus and just think, “I wanna (laughs) be in that place.”

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: And there was a drive home from work, and it was probably about a 30, 35-minute drive home from work and probably for the 200th time, I had listened to that song just for the last few weeks and something broke, literally broke, inside of me as I drove across that bridge. And I’m just, I mean, I’m crying like crazy. Could barely see. (laughs) And I felt like something broke. So when I sang the, the lyrics that time, “I will be free. I’ll be free to run the mountains. I will be free, free to drink from the living fountain.” The lyrics became real.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: And by the time I got home, there was something so different. There was… I, I knew something had broken inside of me. So I go in the backyard and I’m jumping on the trampoline (laughing) ’cause, I mean, literally the joy was manifesting itself.

Jim: Wow.

Ryan: I just could not, I n- I couldn’t help but just jump. And I called my sister right away and it was, there was a freeing and of course Satan’s always trying to lie to you and so he said, you know, “You’re gonna wake up the next morning and you’re gonna be depre-” I never experienced that depression-

Jim: Wow.

Ryan: … one second in my life thereafter.

Jim: Huh.

Ryan: And as a creative individual, I mean, we internalize a lot of things. There was a breaking, there was a deliverance-

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Ryan: … there was a freedom, and I know that this does not happen for everyone, but it was a holy spirit deliverance on that drive home-

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: … from work.

Jim: No, that’s, that’s awesome.

Bethany: Mm. Yes.

Ryan: Yeah.

Bethany: So it wasn’t long after that that we ended up back in touch with each other and here I have a one-year-old daughter, but my heart for that one year had just been turned back to the Lord like crazy and God’s working on Ryan where he is. And so we get back together and within a few months we’re engaged and then we’re married. And with, uh, just, I feel like the Lord allowed us to hit the ground running together.

Ryan: Yes.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: And y- you know, we could have gone through our healing together, but he didn’t… That’s not how it worked out.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: And I’m just so grateful that, you know, we both realize there’s a transformational God who loves us. And when we talk about our marriage, we talk about our family, and now we talk about the ministry that we do to- together. The foundation is a God who never gets tired of redeeming.

John: You’re listening to Focus on the Family and this is a conversation with Ryan and Bethany Bomberger. And, uh, Ryan’s book is called Not Equal. We’ll encourage you to get a copy of that from us here at Focus to better equip yourself on pro-life matters. Call 1-800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY. 1-800-232-6459 or you’ll find that book and other resources at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. Let’s continue with more from Ryan and Bethany Bomberger.

Jim: Let’s, uh, let’s turn the corner and, uh, you know, we’ve talked about this. I think we’ve given people a great insight into how you guys married and-

Bethany: (laughing) I know.

Jim: … and the way the Lord, uh, brought you along.

Bethany: You got; you covered a lot of ground.

Jim: No, this is good. But then, you know, culture. You guys speak a lot about culture, especially the, uh, issue of abortion, but a, a wide variety of things.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: Planned Parenthood, the, the whole enigma there I’ve often said, you know, from my perspective, just as an observer, um, anybody that has skin in the game, you should first ask the question, “What motivates them to do and say what they do?” Right? So a- applying that to Planned Parenthood, on average, they’re making like 600, 700 dollars an abortion, and then they go right to the wall promoting abortion through public schools. Uh, the government gives them money-

Ryan: Right.

Jim: … to promote abortion. But they are profiting off of abortion. I mean to me it’s like, “Look the other way. Don’t look here.” But e- y- we’ve gotta recognize the simple fact that they make money-

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … off of ending the life of a child.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: They make a lot of money. I mean, they bring in $1.7 billion a year. They have $2.3 billion in assets, and they get, I don’t know, last year, $618 million from taxpayers. I mean, why does a $2.3 billion corporation, which is what they are, they’re a 501(c)(3), nonprofit. People confuse that. They think they don’t profit, but they do (laughs).

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: They, their profit last year and their last reported year was $70 million. But they profit, actually, primarily from fear and they promote fear. So when you have women facing the unplanned come in, what do they project? They project fear onto the… The very demographic that they’re always saying, “Women are the future, women are strong,” but not when they face the unplanned? And that’s the shame of it all. People don’t understand the exploitation that happens in addition to the destruction of the unborn child, but they’re exploiting mothers, they’re exploiting fathers. They are a big business.

Jim: That’s the right word, exploitation. And it’s like the whole media culture, everybody looks the other way.

Bethany: Right.

Jim: We’re not pointing out the biggest glaring conflict-

Bethany: Right.

Jim: … of interest that they have.

Bethany: They have the nerve to call them healthcare-

Jim: Yeah. (laughing)

Bethany: … when every… You know, they don’t own, not even one, uh, mammogram machine.

Ryan: Not one.

Bethany: And all of their other services that they’ve ever even offered to women are plummeting because they know that they don’t profit from them the way they do abortion.

Jim: Exactly.

Ryan: Right.

Bethany: And, and you’re right. And they’re, th- they have the backing of, of mainstream media and of all of these corporations.

Jim: Let me, let me ask you. You’re biracial. Um, I think a Caucasian mother and an African American father through-

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: … the tragedy of rape. Is that accurate?

Ryan: That’s, that’s correct.

Jim: Yeah. In that context, when you look… I was, y- you know, we were in New York, and we did, in 2019, we did something called Alive from New York. Yes, that was my-

Bethany: Awesome.

Jim: … that was my marketing background.

Bethany: Loved it. It was great.

Jim: But I remember our general counsel said, “They could sue you.” I said, “Well, what will they do first?” “Well, they’ll send you a letter.” And I said, “Okay, let’s wait for the letter.”

Bethany: Okay.

Ryan: Exactly. (laughing)

Bethany: Good.

Jim: If comedians don’t get this, then you…

Bethany: Right.

Jim: Anyway. So we did this event, Alive from New York.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: And, uh, it was to do a live ultrasound.

Bethany: Yeah?

Jim: I just felt the Lord lay on my heart, “Show ’em the baby.”

Bethany: Yes.

Ryan: Yes.

Jim: That’s really all you gotta do. Back to your experience, if 60% of abortion-minded women-

Bethany: Yes.

Jim: … roughly, when they come in and get counseling and see the ultrasound of their baby, they’ll choose life.

Bethany: Yes.

Jim: That’s the data. And so I thought, “Okay, let’s go to New York, go to Times Square, and we’ll do it.”

Ryan: Right.

Jim: And we did.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: And what was so amazing in that moment was hearing the heartbeat right from the stage.

Bethany: Right.

Jim: Th- there was a, a model, a pregnant woman. It actually was-

Bethany: Was Abby.

Jim: … Abby Johnson.

Bethany: Yeah, that’s right.

Ryan: Right. (laughs)

Bethany: That’s our girl.

Jim: And so they were back there and, and, uh, doing it, and the heartbeat you heard, and I’m on the stage just looking at everybody. The bypassers and-

Bethany: Mm.

Jim: … you know, the people participating. Everybody stopped. And then the, the monitor came up and the, uh, sonographer was saying, you know, that baby’s waking up from a nap. The baby’s yawning. You can see the baby yawn in the 4D ultrasound.

Bethany: Uh.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: And it, yeah, it was breathtaking.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: I mean, and the whole place went silent.

Bethany: Hmm.

Jim: It was like the Lord declaring-

Bethany: Mm.

Jim: … “This is life.”

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: Right there in the heart of the Big Apple.

Bethany: Right.

Jim: And it was awesome.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: So it was either Benjamin Watson or one of the speakers we had-

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … um, from an African American background, obviously-

Bethany: Right.

Jim: … and he said, “More babies were killed-”

Bethany: Were aborted than born alive.

Jim: “… than were born alive in New York City.”

Bethany: Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah, to be exact, in Manhattan-

Jim: Wow.

Ryan: … which is where Planned Parenthood is based, for every 1,000 black babies born alive, 1,226 were aborted in the last reported year from the New York Department of Health and Hygiene.

Jim: Think of that, everybody. And that’s the highest demographic.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: Right? The other… White babies are 200 or 300 out of a thousand.

Ryan: Yes, and Hispanic… I mean, the Hispanic… It’s, the black demographic is the only demographic where there’re more induced deaths than births. Uh, Hispanics have, um, about half of that rate.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: Uh, it’s the only demographic like that. And you have to look at the historical aspect and you look at the present targeting that happens and so it’s, it’s undeniable when you actually present people with the data and with the information and these powerful stories, but s- mainstream media isn’t carrying these stories. (laughs)

Jim: So in that regard, I mean, here’s the thing. And we’ve, we’ve done newsletters about this. Margaret Sanger-

Bethany: Yes.

Jim: … the founder of Planned Parenthood, was about eugenics.

Bethany: Yeah. Absolutely.

Jim: Her idea was you get rid of the unfit.

Bethany: Correct.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: You know, those that aren’t worthy for life-

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: … because they’re drain on the social purse. I mean, that was kind of the language she used.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: In other words, let’s get rid of minority babies-

Bethany: Yes.

Jim: … because they cost the state too much-

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … to take care of.

Bethany: Yeah.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: That, that was the thought.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: And then now you see in New York City, her vision is being achieved.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: And nobody is looking at it except the Christian community-

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: … saying, “What are we doing? Killing our minority children at a far higher rate than Caucasian kids.”

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: And nobody has a problem with that.

Ryan: And it, it’s all wrong. Regardless of hue of skin, the, the killing of the unborn of the, the most marginalized-

Jim: Yeah, exactly.

Ryan: … is wrong. But I mean, you look at… It’s interesting, people say, “Well, you know, during Margaret Sanger’s days, Planned Parenthood was far worse.” No, actually it’s far worse today because they actually (laughs) abort over 345,000 human beings of every hue. But like we said, the demographic that is hardest hit in city after city across the country are those black lives. I mean, we talk about things being systemic. (laughs) That is an example of systemic racism ’cause you have the history of the disproportionate targeting-

Bethany: Mm-hmm.

Ryan: … and you have the present disproportionate targeting that happens.

Jim: Evidence that they’re fulfilling their vision. A-

Ryan: Yes.

Bethany: Right. It was Margaret Sanger who birthed The Negro Project, which w- that was her goal to really rid, you know, poor blacks from the scene. And so we talk about The Negro Project 2.0 because it’s exactly what you’re saying. This is all by design.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: This is happening on purpose.

Ryan: Right. And she did that through birth control. They were disproportionately targeting poorer black communities through birth control. Well, today it’s now-

Bethany: And sterilization, too.

Ryan: And steriliz- forced sterilizations-

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: … which people don’t wanna talk about. Margaret Sanger, earlier on, actually supported forced sterilizations. But, and here we are present day, abortion on demand without restrictions.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: Without accountability.

Jim: Yeah. It’s something.

Bethany: Yeah.

Jim: Let, let’s talk a little bit about, uh, the m- m- group that did the videotaping in the clinics. And you can fill me in on some of these things ’cause I know a bit. I don’t… n- I’m not as knowledgeable perhaps as you two are, but, uh, a group went in, I think it was Veritas-

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … that did some filming. Uh, kind of undercover journalism is the way they did it. And, uh, talked to Planned Parenthood representatives who are willing to sell body parts, aborted baby body parts-

Bethany: Mm.

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

Jim: … which is illegal.

Ryan: Right.

Jim: Uh, but obviously they find a way to do it. Describe that and what’s taken place with, uh, the y- young man who led that project.

Bethany: Yeah, it was David Daleiden.

Ryan: Yeah, David Daleiden. Uh, the Center for Medical Progress was the name of the organization.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: And they went undercover. They went to these conventions. People don’t realize this. They don’t understand-

Jim: Right. (laughs)

Ryan: … the gravity of the big business that is abortion.

Bethany: Yes.

Ryan: I mean, these supposedly unwanted babies.

Jim: Yeah.

Ryan: They are wanted for (laughs) their, you know, their wanted body parts.

Jim: Yeah, think of that.

Bethany: Mm.

Ryan: And he exposed that. And you know, the first thing that Planned Parenthood… When these, these videos started coming out, and of course they were edited. I, I love how m- mainstream media says, “Well, they’re highly edited.” I’m like, “You are highly, highly edited. (laughs) You’re mainstream media. You edit your news all the time.” But yeah.

Jim: Twitter?

Ryan: Yeah.

Jim: How about that?

Ryan: Yeah.

Bethany: (laughs)

Ryan: Well the Center for Medical Progress also provided the raw footage, so if people wanted to watch all the footage and come to their own conclusions, they, they could. And nothing was distorted. But Planned Parenthood’s initial response to being exposed was they pretended that their websites were hacked. And so when you went to Planned Parenthood’s website, it said, “Our sites have been hacked by extremists.” I mean, this is what a $2 billion- (laughs)

Bethany: Um, wait. No, no. When your, when your (laughs) website is hacked, you really can’t write a message on it.

Ryan: Right, exactly. (laughs)

Bethany: It’s typically like the website is down-

Jim: Right. (laughs)

Ryan: Right.

Bethany: Like, anyway.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: It’s just such a farce. And, and, and they really were s- like scurrying, like, “How are we gonna respond to this?” Because, you know, what, what these folks… What David and these folks did is they-

Ryan: [inaudible]

Bethany: Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah.

Bethany: They swung open this door wide open.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: See, we live in a time where we can no longer say we never knew.

Ryan: Right.

Bethany: We can no longer say we were blind to the fact that not only are they coercing women, but they are profiting off of the baby parts. And when you watch it, some of the… I promise you; I could not even get through the footage.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: I couldn’t.

Ryan: The inhumanity of it all.

Bethany: It was so… I mean, they’re counting hands and fingers and they’re, they’re explaining that they have to keep them intact ’cause they will receive more money if they are intact. We have to understand as Christians that we don’t have the luxury of staying silent about something that is the human injustice of our day and that we are gonna be held responsible because it’s no longer gonna be that we don’t know these things. The doors are swinging wide open and we’re seeing into what’s happening and we cannot remain silent.

Jim: Yeah.

Bethany: We’re gonna be held responsible for what we know-

Jim: Right.

Bethany: … and what we’ve decided to do with it.

Ryan: Right, and that’s part of what we do through The Radiance Foundation, is equip people to know how to engage in conversations. A large part of Christians holding back (laughs) and not engaging in these, these vital conversations is they don’t know how to start the conversation.

Bethany: Right.

Ryan: They don’t know what to say. They don’t know how to frame the, the culture-shaping issue. And that’s part of what we do. That’s our heart to, to equip people to know here’s how we can talk about these things.

John: Well, Jim, that was an energizing, really terrific conversation that you had with Ryan and Bethany Bomberger. And I do hope for our listeners, this has motivated you to do something, to come alongside mothers and their pre-born babies.

Jim: Absolutely, John. Uh, you know, there are several ways you can directly be involved in saving a baby and helping a mom right now. Uh, donate to Focus on the Family’s Option Ultrasound Program, uh, which has saved almost a half a million babies from abortion by providing 3D and 4D ultrasound technology and training to pregnancy resource centers across the country. Free ultrasounds help women to choose life after seeing their baby and, uh, $60 is what it costs to save that baby’s life through Option Ultrasound. And right now, some wonderful friends of Focus on the Family are offering to match your gift dollar for dollar. So when you give, uh, your $60 donation, it will be doubled, and two babies will be saved. And with that generous gift, or a gift of any amount, we’d like to send you a copy of Ryan’s great informative book to help you in the pro-life cause. It’s called Not Equal.

John: Make a donation today and request your book when you call 800, the letter A, and the word FAMILY, 800-232-6459, or stop by focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. And then you can learn all about SeeLife 2022 when you visit the website. And tomorrow we’re gonna be hosting a live event. It’s called SeeLife 2022 Livestream Experience. It’s gonna be right here on the Focus campus at 7:00 PM Mountain Time. We’ll feature, uh, some really great pro-life champions like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Jeanne Mancini, and others. This is a call for you to see, uh, pro-life care and advocacy in a new light, as a desire to follow God’s heart on the issue and to become equipped to live out your pro-life values. All the details about SeeLife 2022 are at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. On behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team, thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family. Plan to be with us tomorrow as we once more help you and your family thrive in Christ.

 

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Tantrums. Talking back. Throwing toys or food. Meltdowns. Slamming doors. Kids know just how to push your buttons. You’ve tried all sorts of methods, but nothing seems to work. In this book, Dr. Kevin Leman reveals exactly why kids misbehave and how you can turn that behavior around with practical, no-nonsense strategies that really work . . . and are a long-term win for both of you.

Understanding the Root of Your Child's Misbehavior - Part 2

Often, children act out because they are used to getting attention through bad behavior. Dr. Kevin Leman offers advice to help parents transform their child’s behavior. He discusses the benefits of allowing your kids to learn from real-life consequences and describes the importance of understanding your child’s temperament based on his birth order.

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman

Dr. Kevin Leman is an internationally known family psychologist and an award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. He is also a popular public speaker and media personality who has made countless guest appearances on numerous radio and TV programs. Dr. Leman has written more than 50 books including The Birth Order BookHave a New Kid by Friday and Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.

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Why Your Kids Misbehave and What to Do about It

Tantrums. Talking back. Throwing toys or food. Meltdowns. Slamming doors. Kids know just how to push your buttons. You’ve tried all sorts of methods, but nothing seems to work. In this book, Dr. Kevin Leman reveals exactly why kids misbehave and how you can turn that behavior around with practical, no-nonsense strategies that really work . . . and are a long-term win for both of you.

Loving Your Spouse Through the Seasons of Marriage - Part 2

Debra Fileta has identified the four seasons of marriage that correspond with our natural seasons – spring (new life and new love), summer (things get hot!), fall (showing our true colors), and winter (long days ahead). In this interview, she will help couples better understand the four seasons of healthy relationships, what to expect during each one, and how to carefully navigate them for a stronger marriage.

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Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage.

Love in Every Season: Understanding the Four Stages of a Healthy Relationship

Every relationship goes through four life-changing seasons: Spring. Summer. Fall. Winter. Each season plays an important role in taking your relationship to the next level. And depending on how you navigate each season, your relationship will either flourish and grow, or it will slowly die. Whether you’re single, dating, engaged or married, join licensed professional counselor and relationship expert, Debra Fileta as she takes you on an eye-opening psychological and spiritual journey through the four seasons that she has observed in every healthy relationship.

Reconciling Faith and Science in a Medical Crisis

Dr. Lee Warren is a neurosurgeon who has faced many heavy challenges in his life – from serving in the Iraq War to removing deadly brain tumors to experiencing the loss of a teenage son. He’ll share about his difficult quest to find answers to some of life’s toughest questions, while holding onto his faith in God and the sure hope of heaven

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Dr. Lee Warren

W. Lee Warren, M.D., is a brain surgeon , inventor, Iraq War veteran, and author of I’ve Seen the End of You: A Neurosurgeon’s Look at Faith, Doubt, and the Things We Think We Know, winner of the Christian Book Award®. His previous book, No Place to Hide, was included on the 2015 U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff’s Recommended Reading List. Dr. Warren has appeared on The 700 Club and the CBS Evening News, and his writings have been featured in Guideposts magazine. His Dr. Lee Warren Podcast, which is heard in more than 60 countries, helps listeners use the power of neuroscience, faith, and common sense to change their lives.

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I've Seen the End of You: A Neurosurgeon's Look at Faith, Doubt, and the Things We Think We Know

This gripping inspirational memoir grapples with the tension between faith and science—and between death and hope—as a seasoned neurosurgeon faces insurmountable odds and grief both in the office and at home.

Praying Scripture Over Your Child’s Life - Part 1

Jodie Berndt loves to pray for her children. She’s been doing that for the past thirty years. Now she helps other parents to talk to God, asking for the salvation of their kids, and for wisdom, self-discipline, purpose, a future and much more. She offers fun and practical encouragement that moms and dads can put to work immediately in their daily lives as they prepare their children for a life in Christ.

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Jodie Berndt

Jodie Berndt is a public speaker, a Bible teacher, and the the author of 10 books. Find out more about Jodie and get some free resources (including printable prayer cards and calendars) at her website, jodieberndt.com.

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Praying the Scriptures Over Your Children

You will discover how using the Bible to shape your desires and requests opens the door to God’s provision—and frees us from things like worry and fear in our parenting! This expanded edition of the bestseller features updated content on issues like technology and identity, and comes with new material designed to invite children into the family prayer circle. Purchase now and receive 10% off your product.

Mothers and Sons: Being a Godly Influence - Part 1

Rhonda Stoppe describes her early motherhood challenges of raising a son, which was intimidating to her. She found help through group of older women mentors. She urges moms to see their role as ministry in shaping sons to be good and godly men. Rhonda outlines several practical suggestions to moms about spiritual training, how to communicate with boys, and supporting the father-son relationship as a wife.

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Rhonda Stoppe

Drawing upon 35 years of experience as a mentor, pastor’s wife, and homeschool mom, Rhonda Stoppe offers encouragement and guidance to women as an author and public speaker. She is popularly known as the “No Regrets Woman,” as she is especially passionate about helping women live life without regrets. Rhonda’s books include Moms Raising Sons to Be MenReal Life Romance, and The Marriage Mentor, which she co-authored with her husband, Steve.

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Moms Raising Sons to Be Men

Mothers of boys have the special calling to shape future men of God. Popular speaker Rhonda Stoppe, mom to two sons, knows this opportunity is a challenge, a joy, and probably the most important work of a woman’s life. Drawing from years of experience, this inspirational resource will revive the faithfulness and fortitude a woman needs to partner with God as they shape the character and heart of a future godly man.

Identifying Triggers in Your Marriage Part 1

They were both convinced they had married the wrong person. From almost the very beginning of their marriage, Amber and Guy Lia experienced various tensions and personality clashes related to house cleaning, backseat driving, workaholism, and intimacy. In this two-day Focus on the Family broadcast, Amber and Guy discuss how they bravely faced the triggers head-on, and committed to working on their own relationships with Jesus. As you listen to the Lia’s story, you’ll feel hope that you, too, can see real marriage transformation!

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Mr. and Mrs. Guy and Amber Lia and Mrs. Jean Daly

Amber Lia is a work-at-home mom, blogger, public speaker, and co-author of two best-selling books. Her husband, Guy, is a former TV, feature film, and VFX development and production executive who has worked on popular TV shows and films. Guy and Amber own Storehouse Media Group, a faith- and family-friendly TV and film production company based in Los Angeles,

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Marriage Triggers: How You and Your Spouse Can Exchange Angry Reactions for Gentle Biblical Responses

A husband-wife team offers practical advice for married couples to end the cycle of reactionary arguments by examining the most common issues that trigger disagreements and apply God’s Word to radically transform relationships.

What to Do When You're Not Okay - Part 1

Life can be pretty stressful. Between work, relationships, and other obligations, the pressure builds, and we lose sight of who we are. Counselor Debra Fileta helps you better understand your emotions, assess your mental, physical, and spiritual health, and intentionally pursue a path to wellbeing. In dealing with anxiety, depression, and panic attacks, Debra understands the importance of self-examination as well as the benefits of seeking professional help. She offers biblically-based advice, tools, and encouragement to help you get on a path toward healing and wholeness.

Author Debra Fileta in the Focus on the Family broadcast studio

Mrs. Debra Fileta

Debra Fileta is a licensed professional counselor specializing in relationship and marital issues. She is also a public speaker and the author of multiple books, including Married SexChoosing Marriage: Why It Has to Start With We > Me, Love in Every Season, and Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters. Debra’s popular relationship advice blog, TrueLoveDates.com, and her Love + Relationships podcast reach millions of people each year offering guidance on topics including love, sex, and marriage. Debra resides in Pennsylvania with her husband, John, and their four children.

Are You Really Okay?

Are You Really OK: Getting Real About Who You Are

In Are You Really OK? author and licensed counselor Debra Fileta challenges you to get real with who you are and how you’re doing spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically so you can recognize where you need growth and healing.

Navigating a Toxic Culture with Your Daughter - Part 1

As a pediatrician, Dr. Meg Meeker has seen thousands of girls come through her office through the years. They struggle with eating issues, sexual identity, social media…and many other challenges in this toxic culture. Dr. Meeker will encourage parents to invest love and time in their daughters and develop their character to give them the best opportunity for a bright future, all rooted in a spiritual foundation. The discussion also includes healthy feminism vs. toxic feminism

Mrs. Meg Meeker

Dr. Meg Meeker is a pediatrician who is widely recognized as one of the country’s leading authorities on parenting, teens and children’s health. With appearances on numerous nationally syndicated radio and TV programs, her popularity as a an expert on key issues confronting families has created a strong following across America. Her work with countless families over the years served as the inspiration behind her best-selling books which include Strong Fathers, Strong DaughtersStrong Mothers, Strong Sons and The Ten Habits of Happy Mothers

Cover image of Dr. Meg Meeker's book "Raising a Strong Daughter in a Toxic Culture"

Raising a Strong Daughter in a Toxic Culture: 11 Steps to Keep Her Happy, Healthy, and Safe

Meg Meeker has been a pediatrician for more than thirty years, is a mother and a grandmother, and has seen it all. She knows what makes for strong, happy, healthy young women–and what puts our daughters at risk. Combining that experience with her famous common sense, she explains the eleven steps that will help your daughter–whether she’s a toddler or a troubled teen–to achieve her full human potential.

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In this episode, we will tackle tough questions like, “When does life begin?” and “What does the Bible
say about Life?” You’ll discover and understand the stages of pre-born life and that babies are more than
just a clump of cells!

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